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Xbox One – eSRAM Preventing 1080p Games

| February 10, 2014

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The Xbox One’s eSRAM is allegedly causing issues for developers when attempting to produce games that run at 1080p, according to Rebellion Games developer Jean-Baptiste Bolcato.

Talking to GamingBolt, Bolcato (currently working on Sniper Elite 3) noted how the small space within which to work makes it incredibly difficult to create an all-round 1080p visual, though he also believes that it won’t be long before these problems are a thing of the past –

“It was clearly a bit more complicated to extract the maximum power from the Xbox One when you’re trying to do that. I think eSRAM is easy to use. The only problem is…Part of the problem is that it’s just a little bit too small to output 1080p within that size. It’s such a small size within there that we can’t do everything in 1080p with that little buffer of super-fast RAM.

They are releasing a new SDK that’s much faster and we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One. We were worried six months ago and we are not anymore, it’s got better and they are quite comparable machines. The Xbox One is a bit more multimedia, a bit more hub-centric so its a bit more complex. There’s stuff you can and can’t do because it’s a sort of multimedia hub. PS4 doesn’t have that. PS4 is just a games machine.”

Bolcato seems to have a clear confidence that the Xbox One will be up to speed before too long, yet is aware that it is causing issues at the moment and as such is making developers think twice before committing to it. As long as developers can put up with frustrations at the start of the development process, then it is smooth sailing for the remainder.

Bolcato himself seemed to summarise it best; ”it’s just a pain in the ass to start with”.

Do you think issues with internal hardware have stifled the Xbox One’s success? Maybe you are more focused on the future of the console rather than present? Leave a comment below with your thoughts!

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  • Country Boy Lucifer

    PS4 being a superior games machine is exactly why i own one, you can keep skype, kinect, your snapable windows etc etc i genuinely wouldn’t use them. I want a fast powerful games consoe capable of great resolutions, graphics and persistent worlds and that’s exactly what the ps4 does.

    It’s such a shame the xbox one suffers for it’s misguided vision

    • Ian Williams

      Here we go same bs statements same bs people. You can stick your ps4 up your jacksy, I’ll stick to my all singing dancing multimedia games console.

      • Country Boy Lucifer

        Enjoy your sub par multiplats LOL

        • Whitbizzle

          I’d be in denial and quite aggressive if I’d wasted all that money on a weaker games console.

        • Ian Williams

          Our first triple a is out 4 weeks tomoz, enjoy counting pixels bs

          • mkal

            Exactly what title you talking about. So far x1 games all suck. Most on roster suffer the same problem. Only a couple gems while Sony delivers top quality all gen.

            Sorry but Xbox still sucks

          • Ian Williams

            Top quality like knack Mwahahahahaha. We will all be playing Titanfall,something you WON’T be playing.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Lol anyone with a mid range PC can play titanfall

          • Ian Williams

            But not you. Fact.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Well I have a fairly high end gaming PC but I probably won’t be picking up Titanfall as it’s online MP only and very similar to CoD and that just isn’t my thing

          • Blarg

            Lol just admit it, you can’t afford a mid range PC

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            If you wish I can quite happily give you my steam ID and you can look at all the games I have downloaded on my steam account on PC….some of which need better specs than titanfall

          • dave mcnair

            Are you guys forgetting titanfall even runs on a 360?

          • Ian Williams

            Ahh the ps4 fan that owns a high end pc or so he says, so he can buy Xbox one exclusives that you won’t see on a ps4

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Ok first of all if i’m buying games for PC they are NOT xbox one exclusives…

            Secondly I can give you my profile name for steam and you can see for yourself by the games I have and I’m also pretty sure my specs are listed on there.

            Sorry bro….lol

          • dave mcnair

            Ian you can play titanfall on a 360. Its not that demanding with 6 v 6

          • Ian Williams

            I know

          • 111AlaN111

            Of course you’re lying, Titanfall was the best of E3 and no game beats it UNTIL NOW

          • dave mcnair

            Anyone with a 360 can play titanfall. It doesn’t look that demanding a game.

          • SOME1 WITH A BRAIN

            Ur clearly obssesed wi the fact it playsm on 360 WE HEARD U THE 1ST TIME

          • dave mcnair

            Yeah & this was over 5 months ago. Still true, it isn’t a next gen game unless its at least designed purely around a next gen machine. Even that doesn’t make it truly next gen. Look at Watchdogs for example, its just higher resolutions & framerates at best most of the time with these so called next generation titles.

          • Tony

            Top quality like Knack and Killzone. Meanwhile we’ll play Halo and Titanfall this year (considered to be the best shooters in gaming). While i’m enjoying Forza 5, u can wait for that stupid inferior Drive Club racing game. Of course they postponed it since they were gonna feel ashamed releasing it alongside Forza ! LOLLL !!!!!

          • R.

            Forza 5 sucks tbh. Can’t compete with last gens Gran Turismo 6 (especially the physics engine which is the most important). Hardly any content. Graphics almost the same as 360. Horizon is only going to be 30fps.. WTF?

          • 111AlaN111

            All reviewers and experienced gamers say Forza is much much much better than Gran Turismo

          • R.
          • Zerocrit

            Killzone and knack are pretty top quality games in their own genres. As for best shooter of the year it won’t be an exclusive….. Itl either be battlefield, or destiny. The level of detail in driveclub compared to Forza isn’t even comparable. If anything Microsoft should of put more effort into it. But these are just my opinions….. Based on facts.

          • 111AlaN111

            Knack sucked. Killzone is a very well looking game, but is shit. I think TitanFall will be the best shooter of the year, if its not, it will be Destiny.
            With Forza, it may not win in graphics, but the game is much better.

          • Jason M

            One….It also on PC, even myself, a PS4 owner, will be playing it. Second, I was really excited about it but only 6v6, really dumb A.I for the Bots….My interest is starting to fade, but i will still at least play the beta. before I make final judgments Now infamous second son, that is shaping up to be the true next gen game. If i had an xbox One, I would be more excited for something like quantum break.

          • Joe shickler

            Coming from an Xbox One owner, i’m more excited for project spark, sunset overdrive, and quantum break than i am for Titanfall or Halo. Xbox fans only point out Halo, Gears Of War, and some other overrated title. Also, i know Project Spark will be out on PC, i didn’t mean like it was going to be an Xbox One Exclusive, just for clarification haha. Oh yeah! Knack doesn’t seem that bad, have you played it yet? hows Resogun (if you’ve also played that by chance)?

          • Jason M

            Resogun is surprisingly really good. I would never have bought it but so I am glad it’s free. Knack was OK to good. If you played spyro or Crash as a kid, You’ll dig it, but at the same time it’s no system seller

          • Joe shickler

            Ah, sweet, yeah i remember playing Spyro and Crash like crazy on the original Xbox! good times, haha.

          • 111AlaN111

            X1 has better games right now. Ryse, Zoo Tycoon and other games may suck, but you should agree with the idea of Forza 5 and Dead Rising being good games. Now Plants vs Zombies is out for Xbox, and Titanfall is coming. PS4’s only good exclusive right now is inFamous: a must-rent exclusive that still isn’t out yet

            Sorry but PS4 sucks and with Xbox coming to 1080p, PS4 will become irrelevant

          • Real720

            I know the comment was posted 9 months ago, but so far, every exclusive on the PS4 FLOPPED. Xbox One has better exclusives, such as Sunset Overdrive and Forza Horizon. Also, PSN is fucking garbage. PS4 was a HUGE letdown.

          • Hippie_Einstein

            lmaoooo yeah cause the order 1886 was the greatest exclusive. That game was garbage. Full of gems my ass. Neither ps4 or xbox have that great of exclusives right now.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            I’ll be too busy playing infamous second son to count pixels…

          • Mrteapot

            Mark your contradicting yourself by saying we got more pixels. Yet when they tell you titanfall isn’t PS you say but PC. So since PC is high end way better then the PS does that make a PS any less inferior?

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            I never said I count Pixels?? I have also never contradicted myself.

            All the multiplats that came out on ps4 xbox one and PC perform better on ps4 and pc than they do x1.

            A ps4 is very much as powerful at the moment as a very high end PC, my pc is mid to high end and my ps4 is more powerful than my PC at the moment.

            Yes PS4’s are inferior to the highest end PC’s in the power department, but Xbox ones are inferior to PS4’s (that’s a fact by the way, not opinion)

          • Mrteapot

            Bro your a fool to think PC is on par with PS since it can do twice frame rate over triple resolution.
            It’s three months into the new consoles and like PS 3 bottlenecking they will work with drivers and match 1080p in a year..
            Using your argument that PC is on par with PS is reeeeeetarded PC/PS fanboy

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Did you completely ignore the last sentence of my comment?

          • billybobfrankwashington

            The basic specs are virtually identical as I recall. There was a difference in memory – but this article reads that it will be moot soon enough.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            The basic specs are not virtually identical, the ps4 has at least a 20% power advantage and the better architecture for development…this isn’t opinion it’s fact

          • billybobfrankwashington

            Guess it’s a good thing that SOFTWARE will decide which console actually gets to use that hardware to it’s fullest… Just like the last generation. Software can easily improve performance, even far more than 20%.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            lol and with that idiotic statement i’m out….

            to stupid to respond to

          • Roadshow=Unintelligent

            I hope your talking about yourself because your ignorance is painful to listen too

          • all fanboys are stupid

            You don’t even know the difference between “too” and “to”

            Wake the fuck up, idiot.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            lol you mad bro? yeah you mad

          • Jason M

            and that right there is whats wrong with the Xbox one right now. I honostly think they needed an extra 6 months or so to finish the SDK but didn’t want to delay the system. That’s fine and all, in the long run it makes no difference, but in the short term it has made multiplats look a bit inferior on the Xbox One. Same issue PS3 had at first, it’s not as straight forward to develop for cause of the eSRAM

          • Mike H

            Actually the PS4 has 60% more sustained bandwidth, 50% more graphics and 10% higher CPU performance. It’s not even close.

          • General_VGamer

            On PAPER it is like that, in REALITY they are the same give or take 3% with Xbox One being better at certain things and PS4 being better at a few others but neither by any sustainable difference. The way these systems are built and put together and just generally made the on paper specs can be completely different then in reality, placement of a piece can really under power it as well so this thing could be in an extremely inefficient set up, either way no matter how you swing it they end up being the same in power in reality.

          • Mike H

            You are delusional. Games need bandwidth. The Esram does very little to alleviate the bandwidth gap. PS4 has 176GB/sec sustained bandwidth compared to XB1’s 68.3. If you think 32MB of Esram makes up for that you are drinking coolaid.

            The PS4 OS uses 2.5GB with 1gb of flexible memory for multitasking. That includes plenty for future upgrades. XB1 is a solid 3GB with not much left over.

            The PS4 processor Is more powerfull. 14Mb/s vs XB1 at 12Mb/s texture fill.That equates to a 14% advantage for PS4

            PS4 has 50% more GPU….LITERALLY!

            All these things are need for gaming. That means if ONLY the PS4 GPU were 50% more powerfull it would equal a 50% performance advantage. But that’s not the case. The disadvantages are somewhat additive. So you take the GPU and CPU Deficit together make 64% Add in the Bandwidth and OS overhead and the real # could be anywhere from 70% or so and up depending on if the XB1 bandwidth is bottlenecked or weather the OS overhead is getting in the way.

            The fact that you can even say they are comparable in power is laughable.

          • 111AlaN111

            You’re lying, for example, PS4 hasn’t 50% better graphics, it has 50% more power, wich is used for making the blue light of the PS4, LOL

          • anti fan boy

            what the fuck does “50%” more graphics mean. Do you guys ever just stop for a second and think about what the point of what you’re saying is? Honestly. What do you hope to ever achieve by jerking off to a stupid fucking pamphlet that says a graphics card has this or that. Didn’t you have fun playing NES? Didn’t you have fun playing Playstation 1? They didn’t have infinity graphics shaders and tetrahydrilinear anti-aliasing and all this other fucking shit you hunt for on the back of the box so that you can argue that one system is superior than another fucking 3 months after they come out in order to belittle people that might also be enjoying something else. Like Xbox. Or a book. Or a Computer. Or a fucking jump rope. Please just fucking kill yourselves instead of spending one more minute trying to hurt the feelings of other people by arguing their stupidity when you’re so fucking dumb that you say things like “60% more sustained bandwidth and 50% more graphics” and you have no idea what the fuck it even means.

          • Mike H

            Mabye I was expecting XB1 to actually be capable of playing next gen games.

            and yes the PS4 GPU is 50% faster.
            http://xboxonedaily.com/2013/05/xbox-one-gpu-is-50-slower-than-playstation-4-gpu/

            I’m sorry you bought an XB1…..

          • 111AlaN111

            Xbox is over PS4 in games, service (online) and according with the article, it may have the same graphics as PS4’s, and you’ll need to shut up. Still, X1 is multimedia, what will make PS4 obsolete

          • Mike H

            lol Typical Xbox troll. Do a google search. It might enlighten you….unless the only articles you believe are MS shills and die hard XB1 fanatic reviews.
            Developers even said the PS4 is considerably more powerfull.

          • Guest

            I never said X1

          • 111AlaN111

            I didn’t say X1 was more poweful, I said facts. Until now, X1 has better exclusives, the Xbox Live service has proven to be better than the PSdown (oops, I meant PSN). I know PS4 is more powerful, but if the power isn’t used to make even better graphics than 1080p (on PS4), the power will be useless. Meanwhile, X1 is going to have 1080p soon according to this article, so shut up, please

          • Mike H

            1080P @ 30fps cap and drops to 18. and still with less detail than PS4 @ 60fps

            Microsoft’s math was wrong. The eSRAM is not big enough to pull 1080P @ 60fps without signifigant quality decrease. There is nothing MS can do about it.It’s a fact and you morons who bought a XB1 have to live with with or without your head stuck in the ground like an ostritch.

            XB1 has a terrible party and social system.

            XB1 is unable to cope with alternative TV standards in other countries

            The XB1 os is buggy.

            Exclusives are a mater of taste. PS4 has over 100 games launching in 2014. Not backports but actual new games.

            The Xbox one is at the end of it’s system capabilities at launch. There is no magic patch to increase eSRAM or improve bandwidth which are the Achilles heels of XB1 You aren’t going to get OMGWTFBBQ graphics EVER!

            PS4 is a lot more open to future enhancments.

            Twitch on XB1 will never work well due to bandwidth constraints.

            You can google for yourself the problems XB1 has but you will just sit in here and argue all day because you’re buthurt about your console being crap. I look forward to your next bout of tears below here.

          • 111AlaN111

            When X1 is playing 1080p games, PS4 will be irrelevant.

            Your 100 games for PS4, it is possible, but if you’re stupid enought, you’ll think those 100 games will be AAA games like TitanFall. NO, those games will be shitty indie games that are finished in less than a day.

            X1’s exclusives are better (at least until now). PS4 exclusives are shit, just like Knack, Killzone, they are shit, it is not my opinion, but it is reviewers opinion, PS4 gamers opinion and X1 gamers opinion

            Twitch on X1 works well, yesterday I saw a video of Titanfall via Twitch. The eSRAM, MS will find a way to make eSRAM reach all X1s, I can bet on that.

            PSDown, oops, PSHacked, oops, PSN, is being down and erased saves of games, if you read articles instead of going into the forums, you would know that

          • Mike H

            XB1 plays 1080p games. but the quality will never match PS4 due to bandwidth. Kaveri which has very similar graphics is bottlenecked by DDR3-2133 which is what the XB1 has. And the XB1 needs more bandwidth than Kaveri due to having 8 cores. IT WILL NEVER GET BETTER. You will always be stuck with crap 1080p.

            PS4 Killzone Userscore 7.2
            PS4 Resogun Userscore 7.6
            PS4 Knack Userscore 6.6
            More are on the way

            XB1 Crimson Dragon XB1 Userscore 5.5
            XB1 Dead rising 3 Userscore 6.6
            XB1 FIFA 14 Userscore 6
            XB1 Forza MS Userscore 5.4
            XB1 Lego marvel SH Userscore 7.7
            XB1 NBA Live 14 Userscore 2.5
            XB1 Zoo tycoon Userscore 5.3
            XB1 Zumba Fitness world Userscore 6.6
            Can you say mediocre….cmon say it with me….

            You do know that Twitch isn’t even released on XB1 yet right? That vid was Titanfall PC. FFS you don’t even have an Xbox One…..gtfo

            The PS4 error CE-34878-0 is not very widespread and there are workarounds. it will be patched.

          • 111AlaN111

            The userscores are almost never right because of fanboys. I can trust only some reviewers, but userscores are full of fanboys. And did you know that Fifa and NBA are multiplatform? I think Lego Marvel is too, so don’t take that as score for X1. What with Zumba Fitness? It is a shitty free game, it is like saying Wii games are shit because of Wii Sports.
            With Twitch, I researched and I found out I’m wrong, sorry, but with the game thing, userscores can’t be trusted.

          • Mike H

            Oops that’s what I get for trusting Wikipedia.
            Take those out and it drops the lowest score and 2 of the highest score from XB1 Exclusives. Time will tell on exclusive quality. There simply isn’t enough exclusive games out yet for either platform.
            I think Thief might be the canary in the coal mine so to speak for XB1. It is 900P 30fps on XB1 and 1080P 30fps on PS4. With the graphics quality the FPS meters should tell the tale.

          • 111AlaN111

            When you finish the game in 3 days you can start counting pixels

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Lol desperate fan boy is desperate

          • 111AlaN111

            LOL, you have no objections

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Objections to what? Finishing a game in 3days? Man you’re an idiot lol

          • 111AlaN111

            Ok, 5 days

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            It would take me 5 days to walk round your mum

          • 111AlaN111

            Seeing your retard level, you could take a month travelling around your house

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Lol your come back is as underpowered as your console

          • 111AlaN111

            At least I can do many things at the time like my X1, while you can’t

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Your right you can play the worst versions of games and snap to the internet to see how the ps4 is more than doubling the sales of the x1 in consoles and software lol

          • 111AlaN111

            I can play the best exclusives while I see your mom squirting by Skype
            Xbox is selling more software, do your homework kiddo.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            I’ve been skyping your mom on PC for years! I’m not the only one. That’s why your dad left.

            Do your homework ps4 sold almost double the software of x1.

          • 111AlaN111

            I bet your dad went out for some tobacco when you were a kid. Your mom was gangbanged last friday in TV. If you saw the Venus channel you could have seen her.
            X1 sold more software, learn

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Seriously look it up it never. Xbox 360 and x1 sold more software together ps4 nearly doubled the software sales of x1 sorry bro.

            In TV? You’re struggling with your English again.

            Working for the Venus channel is how she pays the bills, your mum whores herself out for crack rocks then Cry’s because your dad left and you’re a constent disappointment

          • 111AlaN111

            Cry’s? WTF with your English? I’m Mexican, and still write better than you do.
            You’re so specific with all of my mom thing. I suppose you base on your life, you explain this so well

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            I see you were proven wrong about the xbox 1 software sales so didn’t comment? Ha ha

            I really didn’t understand the last bit of your comment it made no sense, also I’m English, Cry’s is perfectly acceptable grammar.

          • 111AlaN111

            I already commented on the software, and the fact stays the same.
            Cry’s is not correct for that sentence.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            It is in England dude, you never get the language right I bet you misspell colour as well.

            The only fact is that ps4 doubled x1s software sales. Look it up it’s all online for you to see

          • 111AlaN111

            You don’t know English.
            Your software thing is a lie

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Look up the hundreds of articles about it, until you do and acknowledge its a fact that is well publicised I’m not continuing this conversation.

            Come on dude are you a Mexican or a mexican’t?

          • 111AlaN111

            Do you know the difference between a console and a software?

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Do you know the difference between xbox 360 and x1?

            Look it up! I’m talking specifically about xbox one software vs ps4 software and the ps4 sold almost double the software that xbox one did.

            360 and x1 software combined had a 40% share selling the most software overall however if you look specifically at x1 software sales and do NOT take into account 360 software sales the ps4 sold nearly double.

            LOOK IT UP! ITS WRITTEN IN VIRTUALLY ALL THE ARTICLES ABOUT THIS!

            for some reason this article doesn’t mention it but most do just Google it

          • 111AlaN111

            Where is the article of PS4 selling twice X1’s software? Give me the link

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Just had a quick look which to be honest is what I’ve been telling you to do! I can’t post links but venture beat and US gamer both have articles that explain ps4 sold more software than x1

            Every single game apart from call of duty has sold more software on ps4 than x1

          • $21319503

            “Cry’s is perfectly acceptable grammar.”

            No, sorry, it isn’t.

            Your incorrect use of the apostrophe turned a verb into a possessive noun (and, as such completely derails your little non-sequiteur) – if you’d implemented the correct present tense, which is ‘cries’ and refrained from using an apostrophe where it simply wasn’t required, then you’d be correct.

            As it stands though, the Mexican has a superior grasp on his second language, which, as your first, you struggle to master even the fundamental elements of grammar, punctuation and spelling.

            And spare me the sob stories about why this is.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            ha ha ha as if you took the time to write a reply so long about grammar on a gaming forum.

            I have no words for how desperately sad that is.

          • $21319503

            Probably because you’d have severe trouble spelling them?

            Sad? Not really, work’s a bit slow at the moment so thought I’d read through the comments, saw your (frankly amazingly) stupid xenophobic comments concerning language, and your utter failure to grasp the irony of your spewing.

            Wait, what’s this – Disqus comments are actually a gaming forum? Well isn’t that a revelation! I merely thought (quite correctly I should add, stick with it) that this is a tool that facilitates input from people who read articles around the web (not just this site) where they are allowed to do so by the Disqus service.

            TLDR; U is a thicky, innit (edited for your ability).

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            lol more grammar Nazism, is that all you got? really?

            You have zero wit, no banter at all so you have to resort to misspellings on the internet?

            ha ha ha

          • $21319503

            Au contraire, mon petit crétin spastique, I’m well known for being a font of wit and banter.

            Versus your ‘ha ha ha’, I’m Oscar Fucking Wilde, son.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            I have seen nothing that would suggest that in any way shape or form, the grammar Nazism being well recognised as the lowest form of internet come back.

            The first line of your response was pretty embarrassing ha ha ha

          • $21319503

            Embarrassing? I fail to see how.

            Rather than being hostile towards my posts regarding your grammar, why don’t you take something away from it, and learn that people will take your arguments seriously and with more civility, when you structure your posts like any rational human being.

            I mean, come on, do you produce stuff like this in your career? I sincerely hope not.

            I sincerely don’t think for one second grammar correction is the lowest form of comeback on the internet – no, really, when your posts consist of ad hominem attacks on other people’s family, that’s when you know you’ve truly hit the bottom of internet tough-guy posturing.

            Truly it is a sad thing, as deep down you know you’ve lost the argument when you resort to criticising other’s nationalities, and make things up about their parents, but you can’t help yourself can you?

            Read my first post – no hostility.

            I pointed out your whole argument about ‘Cry’s’ being correct, was in fact, incorrect. No hostility, more an approach that an impartial assessor would take to a written exam.

            If I’m a grammar Nazi, I can live with that – I consider it to be a testament to one’s character that they can conduct their interactions with others in a structurally correct method of communication. If someone tidies up their posting and ceases to come across as a chimp slapping the keyboard to vent their spleen, I call that a victory for people who give a damn about how they express themselves to others.

            I’ll say it again, speak to others as you’d expect to be spoken to, and that includes posts on Disqus.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Actually the hostility came from you, you chose tyo be hostile towards me.

            You know why people consider grammar Nazism the lowest form of wit? because it’s so condescending. it actually has the opposite effect of what it’s intended to do because no one likes a condescending ass so instead of being an insult it simply makes said grammar Nazi look like a total prick!

            Just to point out, right now it’s you who looks like the prick in case you missed the point.

            Admittedly the whole “your mum” thing is a pretty low form of wit but at least it’s not condescending. I would also like to point out that not 1 single time did I criticise anyone’s nationality.

            When it comes to losing the argument, I didn’t. childish insults aside everything I said was accurate and my Mexican friend was wrong.

        • 111AlaN111

          Read the article, please

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Read it and I’ll believe it when I see it instead of false promises

          • 111AlaN111

            It’s fact, the article states there will be coming soon a better eSRAM for 1080p on Xbox One

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Well as of noe every single multi plat has been better on the ps4 when I see a game that performs better on x1 maybe you’ll have an argument but until then you have literally nothing.

            Devs even came out saying titanfall would run better on ps4 lol it certainly runs better on a fairly low end PC ha ha ha

          • 111AlaN111

            Of course Xbox won’t run better multiplats, both consoles will have the same graphics

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            What? Lol you are retarded aren’t you? I can’t argue with retards its unfair

          • 111AlaN111

            Why, you don’t have an intelligent answer?

          • $21319503

            Nope, he’s too busy arguing with himself – can you imagine the look on his face while he reads these? Must look like a shaved pitbull shitting a razor blade….

      • Oscar Portillo

        If preference is a crime then my freind you are not guilty.

        I prefer a future proof gaming console which is why I chose a PS4; so I am guilty.

        Now stop crying and face the facts that if you have a Xed Box1 then you made a bad choice.

        That Is my opinion of you kid.

        • Blarg

          I see nothing in the PS4 that is future proofed…oh wait you must be talking about RAM GDDR5 3.4 RAA LOL

          Meanwhile, I’m just enjoying quality Xbox games.

          • Oscar Portillo

            I bet your were the dvd guy whille I on the other hand believed in Bluray.

            So if your ok with no progress then your 720 box is the way to for you kid.

          • Blarg

            Lol of course you believed in Bluray.
            I frankly didn’t care and picked up films based on the film itself and not screen quality.
            Same goes for games.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            you don’t have a choice you have an x1 lol

          • 111AlaN111

            YOU don’t have a choice, you just had $400 dlls, so you could only buy a shitty PS4

          • Oscar Portillo

            I can clearly see you dont care about quality as you choose the Xed Box1.

            So that was to easy, as you are just a fan boy of a brand and not the experience it brings.

          • Blarg

            I never denied that I was a fanboy but calling someone is very hypocritical coming from you.

          • Oscar Portillo

            You mad because I did not choose to get something I feel is not worth my money.

            Come on kid , the fact of the matter is that you just dont want to cut the Microsoft umbilical cord.

            Look the day Sony makes a bad system that fails me , I will get something better.

            For now they get my money as they give me quality & choice.

          • 111AlaN111

            Quality like Knack? Oh yeah! Circles and squares at 1080p. The truth is that even if PS4 is so powerful, it has no good games, so their powerful system is useless

          • Ian Williams

            Bit like you really

          • Oscar Portillo

            Yea some people irritate me when they deffend something just because.

            I only defend Sony because so far so good and so I give it props.

            But you are a undercover Xbox fanboy so what gives?

          • Mattress

            You’re the most ignorant of the Sony fanboys on this site which is why I rarely respond to you but here I will make an exception.

            We are not defending the Xbox “just because”. Rather, you say: “I only defend Sony because so far so good and so I give it props.”

            Well guess what Einstein? We think the same thing about the Xbox as you do about the PS4 – and here is the kicker, it’s alright for us to have differences in opinions over preferences and the features we like in our console of choice!

            So stop being an ignorant idiot who assumes that everyone that disagrees with you is wrong for not having the same preferences that you have. Live and let live!

            P.S. There are also a number of other self-righteous PS fanboys on this site that could also do with reading and taking on board the above advice (e.g., Roadshow, Danger)

          • Reason

            The experience xbox brings all around is better because it is an ALL AROUND better machine. Ps4 can bring and unnoticeably better picture. What a great machine.

          • Oscar Portillo

            Can you in lighten me as to what’s the all around experience you talk about.

            Here is my take on it , broken down for you to understand.

            1.)Voice commands are not practical as you need total silence for it to properly work.
            2.) Motion sensing technology looks ridiculous and has many flaws which may not be properly corrected for another year or two.
            3.) Nobody I know has a cable box or plays any media through their gaming console as I use my computer for my media needs and play music on my high end Sony receiver.
            4.) True Some up and comming Sony titles are not native 1080p but can be if they choose to make it so ,as the PS4 has the processing power to allow it.
            5.) Read forbes and you will see Sony is putting their all in their gaming division this time around and money has a way of changing things.
            6.)The best version on Titan Fall will be on pc as where all console only multi plattform games the best version is on PS4 and these are facts.
            7.) My PS4 compliments my living room set up whereas the XBox1 looks retro like a VCR.
            8.)All the hardcore XBox players I know switched which caught me by suprise & when I asked them why the answer was they wanted a gaming console not a half ass all in one thing ama jig.

            I can keep going but it would be a waste of my time to argue with Xbots.

          • Roadshow=Unintelligent

            go back to the slumms

          • Joe shickler

            From personal experience i have yet to encounter any problems from my Kinect commands. I don’t stream my cable box either, but it’s still a nice feature for anyone that has and wants to do so. Games aren’t all about how “pretty” they look, remember the games like Pac-Man, Rally-X, Sonic, Mario? Those games didn’t need pretty graphics to be great! Ok, graphically the people who have medium to high end PCs will have the upper hand, but as i stated before, it’s not all about the graphics. I didn’t buy my Xbox One for the physical appearance because i’m not that damn picky, jesus, what a dumb reason. I love the idea of an all around machine, play my games, then if i ever wanted to, stream cable, snap to skype and call my friends in Hawaii, then snap back to the dashboard and play my games again. I think it was a wonderful idea and i stand by Microsoft for choosing to go this route. Don’t get me wrong, i plan on getting a PS4 because some exclusives have caught my eye, and it is a great machine.

          • General_VGamer

            You are an idiot
            1: Titanfall’s dev is working extremely close with Microsoft and all of the servers are part of Xbox One’s dedicated server network which means that it could very easily be best on Xbox One, in fact there are entire teams dedicated to implementing the Xbox One cloud network
            2: I can use voice commands usually with a decent amount of noise as long as it is not another voice at a non-muffled usual talking volume
            3: have you used Kinect for Xbox One? No? Then shut up, even if they dropped the thing it still costs $415 to $425 for manufacturing without Kinect which works extremely well and does not look ridiculous because all you have to do is lean a little sometimes. There is proof that you will be able to do the hand guns in Kinect Sports Rivals. Kinect is hugely improved and billions where spent in its making.
            4: Xbox One is confirmed to be compatible with 4k, PS4 is confirmed to be non-compatible with 4k gaming but able to do 4k movies according to Sony’s president, both systems will inevitably be capable but PlayStation4 does not have the compatibility to use 4k gaming and thus will not have it. Also as stated in this article the eSRAM is being fixed so they are pretty much even due to the new SDK model, they already where even its just that the tools for Xbox One where a little worse.
            5: the system is simply slightly more complicated programing wise due to the multimedia stuff, it does absolutely nothing to the power and the problems will disappear as devs learn to work on both systems.
            6: Who the hell cares about its appearance, I sure as hell don’t and at least Xbox One doesn’t sound like a jet engine some times.
            7: Again the multimedia takes up nothing, it is there as an option, not the main selling point, it is still at its heart a gaming console and is just as much that as PS4.
            8: Microsoft spent over 15 billion on research and development of Xbox One’s cloud network alone, before going into even the system itself, I think Microsoft spent a hell of a lot more on Xbox One then Sony did on PlayStation4.
            9: A person who enjoys games should not give a single sh;t about graphics, you could put a game where it was completely accurate down to each hair on your arm or a game with the graphics of pong I would not care, I care about game play which is what makes a game a game.
            10: You give absolutely no credit to Xbox One, which has a higher budget in just research then the entire development, research, and commercial prices of the PS4. In the end PS4 only takes the more reliable but completely un-innovative route of being game only and has the advantage in SINGLE PLAYER. Xbox One is much more risky and likes innovation but this is also less reliable then the old route of the previous consoles, Xbox One is better at MULTIPLAYER. I have a single player type of friend and I recommended him to PS4 because he is single player, people who like multiplayer I suggest get an Xbox One.

          • 111AlaN111

            1) You never tried the voice commands
            2) You never used the motion sensing
            3) There wasn’t a console like this before, genius
            4) Read the article
            5) Microsoft has more money and Sony has 78% of going bankrupt in 2 years
            6) No objections in PC. The PS4 multiplat advantage may dissapear. Read the article
            7) You’re not going to kiss and stick your penis in your console, aren’t you?
            8) I’m sure you have no friends LOL
            Bring more and I’ll answer you

          • billybobfrankwashington

            Actually HD-DVD was a superior product (more supported codecs, you could master an HD-DVD on DVD media, internet capable FROM THE START on the hardware, )… And it cost less both for the hardware and the titles. Sony just cut checks to the studios and it was over. And in case you say “yeah but Bluray supported larger capacity discs”… Yeah – but rarely a BR disc that is more than 35Gbs…

          • Jason M

            It had nothing to do with Sony giving out checks, It was a combination of the porn industry backing BD and BD having a higher install base because of the PS3. HD-DVD actually had a higher attache rate, but once the porn biz made their chose, WB quickly did the same and that was all she wrote. P.S. I am not saying one format was better then the other so please no flaming.

          • 111AlaN111

            It looks like you didn’t read the article, you just came straight to the chat

        • Ian Williams

          Your ps4 was a bad choice in my opinion of you child

          • Oscar Portillo

            To each his own choice will be made as mistakes will happen.

            Myself I learned from my 3DO buying experience and know that the PS4 is superior and proven to be and that is a fact.

            My preference for it is a choice as I want the best for my entertainment center piece.

          • 111AlaN111

            So… mommy gave you only $400 dlls?

          • Oscar Portillo

            Oh how stupid you have proven to be but im sure you get that allot.

            I know I made the right choice so do I care what you think; not at all.

            So you like to troll because you were not popular in school right?

          • Ian Williams

            Ha, back under your bridge. School did you go?

          • Oscar Portillo

            You really have no life do you?

            Just another nerd behind a keyboard who jerks off to his own comments.

            What a looser of a kid you are but I’m sure it’s not your fault at least you keep telling your self.

            PS4 is what you wish the toy box you bought aught to be.

          • Ian Williams

            Ha ha double standards with you I see, I don’t wish my Xbox to be anything else, I’m enjoying my multi-media platform, you enjoy your games machine. I’m sure they’ll fix it soon.

          • 111AlaN111

            The 1st part was experience lol

          • Marc D

            Don’t you mean a lot?

        • Reason

          Future proof? Infamous second son and the order both in at 30 frames per second and one of them is confirmed at 900p resolution max. Hardly future proof. But keep on kidding yourself.

          • mathMaticks

            4xAA – You forgot to mention that,, O N E huge detail.. -also nothing is confirmed yet.

          • mathMaticks

            something the bone surely could never handle. 4xMSAA, -it would be A FIRST console.

          • Oscar Portillo

            So you read a bit of info on the internet and that makes you the tech guru.

            Be a bit more creative when trying to reply or is that too much work for you.

          • $21319503
      • JP

        bro don’t take it to the heart, that’s his own opinion why he decided to buy a ps4.

      • Allen

        Ha you are delusional. Xbox still very much sucks

        • Ian Williams

          Like you for $5, me sucky sucky five dolla

      • Nick Harris

        Look. I own both and hardly use my 3.5TB Day ONE with its Xbox Elite Controller as it pisses me the fuck off with all the updates that interrupt me playing any game I choose. My 2TB PS4 on the other hand has an additional chip in it for background downloads and updates. Also, I hate the way Snap and Kinect eat into my ONE’s already meagre computational resources. It is no problem for me to exit a game to check out YouTube or Twitch on my PS4. I don’t know what multimedia you have on your ONE that I don’t have on my PS4, but then I watch all my movies on Sky+ HD. Are you possibly referring to the OneGuide? Never used it. I frequently use the Sky+ App on my iPad Air 2 which shows the entire evening’s schedule and allows me to record programs on it. Can the ONE function as a DVR? Didn’t think so. All multiplatform console games look as good or better on the PS4 and the costs of development means that most games are multiplatform titles that come first to console. Lovely Planet was good on my ONE, but that has now come to the PlayStation Store. Rise of the Tomb Raider was great, but won’t stay a timed exclusive much longer. Meanwhile, Sony have timed exclusive content for Black Ops III and Destiny which aren’t broken pieces of shit like the Master Chief Collection or Halo 5. It really is sad to view the Engadget video I posted earlier in this thread as they all were clearly focused very earnestly on MAKING COMPLETELY THE WRONG THING that no one would want. It seems as if they had done some research and discovered that people are using mobiles, tablets and laptops whilst watching TV and jumped to the conclusion that it would help these people WHO ALREADY HAD mobiles, tablets and laptops to make a new device that did some of these same functions in a manner that was wrapped around the TV experience both REDUNDANTLY and INEPTLY. After all, you can’t Skype on the ONE whilst someone else is watching Game of Thrones as they don’t want the picture encroached by a Snap sidebar. Even if you were by yourself it only needs to be the size of Picture-In-Picture. What’s obvious to anyone is that this Multimedia Jukebox needed to be a DVR and be able to automatically Record TV programmes if you were in the middle of another activity for later viewing then Pause them if you were invited to a game or Skype call and then Resume with zero fuss. You shouldn’t have to navigate all these tiled Apps. IT SHOULD BE SEAMLESS. You also don’t need the Kinect bundled unless you plan to support it with a lot of AAA first party games, otherwise it is a glorified webcam / fitness trainer with minority appeal. Indeed, you could have just had a port on the back for a regular webcam peripheral that had no way to perceive depth as Kinect was soon proven to be useless for driving the sluggish UI. What really needed to be in the box was one of these, a wireless Bluetooth headset, with the OS being driven by Cortana rather than you waving your hands around like a loon:

        https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41smgBiEr%2BL.jpg

    • Blarg

      I want value for money. I’ll put up with a few out-of-place textures.

      • Country Boy Lucifer

        Wants Value for money….buys overpriced console lol

        • Blarg

          £430 for a device that does everything > £350 for a device that just plays games and tries to be an Xbox One but worse

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Take note blarg this is one of those times i’m proving you wrong.

            The PS4 does far more than just play games but gives you the choice of these functions, fro example.

            Voice control/motion Control — Check
            Multimedia/music/video etc — Check
            Netflix/Iplayer etc etc —- Check
            Apps —– Check
            Blu ray player —- Check
            Social Features —- Check

            I could go on but i believe this sufficient to prove your statement inaccurate

          • Blarg

            Ah but my point still stands, all that stuff is just window dressing. Voice and motion control is far more advanced on X1, Music Unlimited doesn’t have as many features as Xbox Music, PS4 doesn’t have as many apps as X1 – look it up, also Xbox One plays CDs and PS4 doesn’t.

            Plus it still plays the best multiplat and exclusive games at soon-to-be the exact resolution as PS4! Win!

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            How does your point still stand?

            your point —– ps4 is a device that just plays games

            your point was destroyed….

            Xbox one does not have more apps!

            PS4 has vidzone as well as music unlimited and vidzone is free

            who uses cd’s?

            It doesn’t have the best multiplats lol that’s been well proven over and over

            Sony brand exclusives have higher meta critic ratings than M$ exclusives and there are far more fo them as well.

            Look it up…..lol

          • Blarg

            Nice way to pick and choose which points you respond to.

            A lot of people use CDs, funny how you people say you’re all for physical but when it’s used against you suddenly change your mind.

            And you obviously did not read as I said they will be soon be as good-looking as each other, that’s what this whole article is about!

            Exclusives are objective, but sales speak for themselves, just look at Killzone vs. Halo or Gears of War vs. Uncharted or InFamous and I can just laugh.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Pick and choose? name a point I didn’t address?

            They will never be quite as good looking as the ps4 because the X1 has around 20% less power, this has been proven time and time again.

            You know what your problem is and the reason I constantly prove you wrong? you believe what you see other xbots type in forums and message boards and never check for yourself.

            If you did you would see that Uncharted sold considerably more units than the gears…go check now, please. (and that’s despite PS3 players having wayyyy more choice in exclusive games)

            Exclusives are not objective, you can look at the metacritic scores and you will see on average that ps3 exclusives perform better than xbox exclusives. you can also look at the number of exclusives that Sony delivered compared to the terrible showing that the x1 had.

            When it comes to CD’s just look at CD sales now compared to 5 or even 10 years ago and you tell me people are still buying CD’s

            You don’t see physical copies of games dropping in number like CD’s as they are a different type of media and more importantly are vast in size compared to an audio CD

          • 111AlaN111

            “PS4 has way more exclusives” Yeah, shitty ones, an Xbox exclusive is worth more than 3 or 4 of PS4’s

          • Oscar Portillo

            You are delusional as to mention that Microsoft dellivers a better music experiance.

            You do realize Sony is a music giant and they have better sound codecs and sound hardware than Microsoft.

            Also Sony japan is good with robotics and motion controls which japan is years ahead of the USA in this area.

          • Ian Williams

            And done what with it exactly? F all. Sayonara.

          • Oscar Portillo

            How do you feel now that you’re done stroking yourself with that big ass Xbox controller?

            Dam you are one sick bastard.

          • Mattress

            I love how you PS4 peeps always say “gives you the option of voice control/motion control” but then neglect to ever incorporate that into your price arguments of the PS4 being cheaper. The PS4 is not cheaper if you need to buy the camera (well at least not here in my country).

          • James

            But you’re talking about the price in one country. There is also Brazil were I believe the PS4 is overpriced. But in most other countries that is not the case.

            Anyway like I always say I rather have the choice then being forced to buy it.

            Also the only reason why he brought the “voice control/motion control” was in response to Blarg’s statement about the PS4 being a device that just plays games.

          • Mattress

            I accept that you may like the choice. But the X1 is basically the same price as the PS4 if you incorporate the camera. You can’t have it both ways – cheaper price and more value for money because for the cheaper price you get less features (e.g., no motion / voice)

          • James

            400 + 60 = 460 < 500. so its not basically the same price. And I'm not talking about an isolated market I'm taking about most markets. I could have said where I am you can get the console + Killzone + the camera + a second controller for the price of an X1.

            I understand what you are trying to say but the same argument can work both ways. Saying "£430 for a device that does everything" is wrong because you will still need to pay an additional monthly subscription fee for many of these features…

            Anyway I wouldn't want to argue about something Blarg said. I'll just say the X1 doesn't do everything and the PS4 doesn't only play games. It's a stupid comment. But coming from Blarg that's not a surprise.

            PS: I just saw that you didn't need the camera to do voice control. You could do it with just the standard mono headset that comes with every console.

          • Mattress

            Accepting your numbers which are pretty generous to PS4, gotta love how $40 is the end of the world over a 5-7 yr investment

            Edit: Anyhow I think we’re missing the point of the article which is the X1 is just fine power wise. Not as powerful as the PS4, but also nowhere as bad as Roadshow and Mark would have everyone believe. It’s focus is more on multimedia – PS4 more on games.

          • James

            I was going to reply but you’re right we are missing the point of this article. This is actually good and encouraging news. Hope they sort this out soon.

          • Marc D

            I don’t know about you but my kinect controllers are free what about your playstation camera controllers.

          • 111AlaN111

            I think PS4s need the monthly subscription now

          • James

            You do need a monthly subscription to play most online games. So what’s your point?

            You really need to read the entire conversation…
            I was specifically talking of the X1 and blarg’s statement that it can do everything at 430£ which is false.

          • 111AlaN111

            X1 can do more than the PS4 can

          • James

            I don’t know about that, on the one hand there are game related features like remote play via vita, games streaming via Gaikai, remote play on another TV using vita TV and on the other there are non-gaming features like NFL app that lets you watch super bowl commercials, a voice control TV remote or an extra HDMI-in port.

            The question is: Is it worth buyin a weaker console and pay an extra 100 bucks for it for stuff like a voice control remote or an extra HDMI-in port?

            Also, while your statement “X1 can do more than the PS4 can” may be true. I don’t think it is if we don’t include the subscription fees. And blarg was talking about that in his first statement.(430£)

          • 111AlaN111

            Gaikai will be given much later, we’re talking about NOW. You need a Vita to access almost all the stuff, so it doesn’t count. PS4 gives Superbowl commercials while X1 lets you watch the Superbowl. X1 has voice control too and the extra HDMI port I think X1 has it too.

            X1 is a better console, even if PS4 has more power and RAM. According to this article, soon X1 may be playing games at 1080p. Adding that X1 is multimedia, X1 will make shit PS4

          • James

            Can you understand simple english?

            I was simply saying that the PS4 has a lot of exclusive features that focus on gaming like remote play, streaming games, vita TV features, touchpad,…

            X1 has a lot of non-gaming exclusive features like voice control remote, extra HDMI-IN port…

            You are an hypocrite(hipócrita) to say remote play features doesn’t count because it needs vita yet you count all X1 features that require gold membership.

            Your last sentence didn’t make sense so I won’t bother replying it.

            If you like spending 100 bucks more for a weaker console just to have few extra non-gaming features (like voice control TV remote or HDMI-IN port) fine that’s your choice. Me as a gamer I just want the best gaming experience and I save 100 bucks in the process.

            PS: Reading all your posts here it’s clear you are just a clueless trolling fanboy. I didn’t know it when I first replied you. I rarely reply to these kind of people. I probably won’t reply you unless you make a post thats worthy of my reply.

          • 111AlaN111

            For almost all the exclusive features you need a Vita, wich no one will buy for a reason. It is shit. The PS4 requires a PS+ membership also to play online just as a X1. All people who have a X1 or PS4 will actually buy the membership, did you know that?

            I prefer spending 100 more bucks because:

            The features
            Better exclusives (until now)
            1080p may be coming soon
            Exclusivity in COD (I like COD)

            But still I won’t use voice control because it gives me shame talking alone with all my family in the house.

            If someone is a trolling fanboy it is you, why are you here when you could be in a PS4 post?

          • James

            Why am I here? Because 6 days ago I replied to a comment that had nothing to do with the article and 2 days back a trolling MS fanboy decided to reply me.

            Your statement was “X1 can do more than the PS4 can”.
            The PS4 CAN steam games, remote play and stream content on different TVs.

            “All people who have a X1 or PS4 will actually buy the membership, did you know that?”
            Wrong. My friend as an X1 and isn’t currently a a gold member. People who have both or intend to eventually have both will probably only have one subscription. But I guess you can’t conceive that idea as you are clearly a MS fanboy who’ll only buy MS consoles…

            -lol “The features”
            – Last time I checked PS4 had 13-14 nex-gen exclus that had more than 70 metacritic scores. 7 for X1. I’m sure you never played any of these so called “shit” PS4 games.
            – lol PS4 already hits 1080p
            – COD exclusivity? lol

            Your last post just resumed how clueless you actually are. I don’t know if you are purposely lying to troll me or you are just ignorant.

            ok don’t bother replying to this cause I won’t reply you. Having read some of your comments here, when you say stuff like X1 sold 40% more software than the PS4 you are either trolling or you are just an ignorant fanboy who is too arrogant to admit his mistake and how clueless he was/is.

            Either way you are not worth my time…

          • 111AlaN111

            – You needed to be here to be able to read a comment, so that tells you just came to this article to share your fanboyism.
            -The PS4 still cannot steam games and the remote play needs the PSVita
            -I can bet you don’t have any friends :)
            -You didn’t replied to the features
            -I’m sure the PS4 games were just shitty indie games, but to be sure, why don’t you send me the link?
            -I only said X1 will have 1080p, wich will shut the mouth to PS4 fanboys
            -COD exclusivity is very valuable because it always gets to be the best-selling game

            -You didn’t read my 40% post. If you had you should have realized that I said Xbox sold more than 40% of the software, not 40% more than PS did. If someone here is arrogant, it is you, in a Xbox fan article. Either way, your time isn’t valuable. You’ve already been beaten, and it’s shown by how you don’t answer half the questions

          • Oscar Portillo

            You don’t need to buy the camera is the point.

            What’s so hard to understand or is it you choose to overlook?

            Do your homework kid.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Well it’s still cheaper in the UK even with the camera, the main point being though I don’t want the camera, most gamers don’t

          • mkal

            ps4 + eye is cheaper.

            So are controllers

            So is the subscription service

            Why are xbots so blind and stupid?

          • Mattress

            None of that is true in my country – why are PS Ponies so ignorant and can’t accept that people may have different preferences from their own?

          • 111AlaN111

            Why are Sony ponies so blind and stupid to go to a Xbox article when they can go to a PS4 article?

        • Ian Williams

          That poor you can’t afford hundred dollars, tramp

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            lol i love how retarded you make yourself look when you post, What has being able to afford something have to do with value for money?

          • Ian Williams

            I was replying to the “buys over priced console” Would you like me to explain it better next time?

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Well something being overpriced has nothing to do with being able to afford it, it’s to do with costing more than it should….

            Do you understand or want me to spell it out for you? I could do a doodle in crayon then post the picture for you?

          • Ian Williams

            And I replied that you couldn’t afford an overpriced console, the console is at the right price for it’s features. It also makes a profit for each one sold unlike your skint station or poor man’s console. Enjoy your crayons whilst you dribble retard.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Well saying I couldn’t afford an overpriced console would be incorrect, saying i don’t want to buy an overpriced console would be more accurate.

            Also i’m not sure where you get your information from but ps4’s actually make a small profit as do the x1 but you’ll ignore the fact you’ve just been proved wrong because you’re an idiot lol

          • Ian Williams

            That’s wrong at the moment until hardware prics come down..you’ve got dribble on your chin. Lmfao

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Actually they have made a profit since launch. Not much per unit, around $18 but when you sell as many as sony have that adds up considerably.

            Rather than responding saying i’m wrong without checking facts just type it into Google and you’ll see your wrong

            ps

            I left something dribbling on your moms chin….

          • Ian Williams

            Phony needs all the money it can get. I’m surprised you managed to get your head low enough to get your tiny piece to dribble. Before you dribble on here read the post your referring to first. http://www.cnbc.com/id/101212582

            Dribble dribbler

          • Ian Williams

            Phony needs all the money it can get. I’m surprised you managed to get your head low enough to get your tiny piece to dribble. Before you dribble on here read the post your referring to first. http://www.cnbc.com/id/1012125

            Dribble dribbler

          • Ian Williams

            Phony needs all the money it can get. I’m surprised you managed to get your head low enough to get your tiny piece to dribble. Before you dribble on here read the post your referring to first. http://www.cnbc.com/id/1012125

            Dribble dribbler

          • Ian Williams

            Phony needs all the money it can get. I’m surprised you managed to get your head low enough to get your tiny piece to dribble. Before you dribble on here read the post your referring to first. They will be making money in the future when prices come down. Dribble on dribbler

          • Marc D

            Isn’t it funny how Sony ponies always bring mom’s into a conversation just because they can’t think of anything else.

          • 111AlaN111

            Xbox has sold more games than the PS4 has. That tells PS4 guys are poor or that PS4 has no good exclusives

            ps

            Expect a brother soon… or maybe a sister

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Ps4 has sold almost double the games as Xbox one and almost double the console.

            I wouldn’t expect any siblings I always shoot my load on your moms face

          • 111AlaN111

            PS4 sold almost double the consoles. Xbox sold the most games with 40% of the software bought.
            Your mom don’t wants my load to waste, so she swallows it, she says it has many protein for her to stroke me faster

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Lol you are aware that that includes 360 games, the x1 is doing terrible with half the games sold of the ps4 look it up.

            I couldn’t even understand the last bit, you’re English is terrible maybe if your mom had cared she’d of sent you to school stopped smoking crack and sicking dicks for method and actually gave a shit about you lol

          • 111AlaN111

            My English is terrible? You said you’re instead of your. Sicking is with u. X1 sells the most games, read the articles before going into the forums

          • Foster Hampton

            You are giving every playstation player ever a bad name stfu and get over that they choose the xbox. Seriously its a plastic box……rambus, trapizoid thingy.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            ha ha ha ha ha you mad bro?

          • Mattress

            Troll

          • Foster Hampton

            Um no. Why would i be mad? I would buy the ps4 if i had capable tv

    • Mattress

      We get it – you like the PS4, while we like the X1. You don’t have to jam it down our throats EVERY single article. You’re just rehashing the same shit we’ve all heard before. Both systems have their pros and cons.

      • Country Boy Lucifer

        I see no pro’s on the xone

        • Mattress

          That’s because you’re a Sony fanboy troll

          • logik893

            You forgot “contradicting” and “ignorant”.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Explain 1 single instance i have been ignorant or Contradicting and I will happily concede

          • logik893

            That fact that you cant admit it is enough proof. No point of going in circles with you

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            The fact you can’t provide a single example says it all

          • 111AlaN111

            My example: You didn’t read the article and you are here, in an Xbox forum

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Nope, To say i see no pro’s isn’t strictly true what I should of said is I see no Pro’s over the PS4

            Both systems are good but nothing that the x1 does i would consider to be a pro over PS4, for example I consider the kinect a negative rather than a pro, same as the snapable windows and such as the fact they exist effects the game performance of the system.

            Like i say….I see no pros

    • Ian Williams

      How does it suffer,millions were sold in 12 countries and they still have the rest of the world to launch in.

    • Josh

      Then buy a fucken pc… Consoles are designed for one thing and one thing only… People who are retarded. Put a disc in and play,. I for one don’t have a preference, I play on all things large and small. Pc or console who really gives a fuck in the end… As long as the user is happy

      • Country Boy Lucifer

        I’ve got a PC…..

        “Consoles are designed for one thing and one thing only… People who are retarded.”

        Followed by

        “I play on all things large and small. Pc or console”

        Not to bright are you ma boy?

    • Isn’t if funny that with each iteration of a gaming console it’s hard for the developers to make games for it at first the way they want for the first several months and then it just starts growing and growing? With the PS4 there was no learning curve. What does that tell you? Nothing next gen about the PS4 same stuff that was in the PS3. Everyone who has a PS4 says the same thing like they are reading a script…..I wouldn’t use this that or the other thing with the xbox one. If that’s the truth you wouldn’t be listing the things you wouldn’t use. You want those things and if Sony added them you would say it works better on the PS4. smh There is something I want to know? if the PS4 is outselling the xbox one 2 to 1 then why is the xbox one selling more games than the PS4? Also if the Xbox one and 360 are selling 47% of all software titles then 53% is split up between the PS3, PS4, PC, Wii, Wii U etc… so that means people are buying the PS4 for a paper weight.

      • Country Boy Lucifer

        OK so there’s a couple of points to answer here and i’m afraid most of what you said is inaccurate, I know it’s just a lack of understanding rather than fanboyism as such so i’ll be patient and explain.

        First of all the ps4 is nothing like the ps3, the ps3 used a difficult to work with cell architecture and that’s why ps3 multiplats at first were terrible and it was hard to develop for. that changed over time of course and the ps3’s power was realised with things like the uncharted series.

        The ps4 uses a PC architecture that is very similar to the xbox ones, it’s the choice to use eSRM that’s hurting xbox one but even if they manage to free up the bottle neck the ps4 will always be more powerful as it has the more powerful components, Xbox one is great but it will always be a step behind ps4 in the power stakes.

        ps4 is outselling the xbox one at more than 2 to 1 worldwide but in the usa now that the supply chain has been refilled it’s selling 2 to 1 compared to x1.

        you’ve misread the articles stating xbox is selling more games than ps in the states. those figures include xbox 360 games and ps3 games, obviously the user base for the 360 in the US is huge so they have massive game sales….

        However! if you look at the figures for just the xbox one and just the ps4 the ps4 is outselling the xbox one on every single game apart from cod ghosts. even the exclusives on ps4 are vastly outperforming the exclusives on xbox one.

        When it comes to the things xbox does that ps4 doesn’t (canble pass through and snap and skype) trust me i don’t want them, i already have them….

        • Lol. I’ll explain since you believe what you’re told and it’s not fanboism. I do not pay attention to articles. that’s where you go wrong. The PS4 is selling less games. Just look at the total revenue for PS4 games and look at the total reveue for xbox one games. Sony is selling less. You also refute what I said about PS4 outselling the xbox one 2 to 1? stop reading articles and get the facts. Where is your proof that Sony is outselling xbox one world wide 2 to 1? what are PS4 sales through the end of Q4 2013 vs Xbox one’s Q4 sales? Sony only sold 4.2mil and xbox one sold 3.9mil that’s a 300k difference and sony is in 53 countries and MS is in 13. Sony had a 1 week start and for all that with the additional $100 price point for xbox one sony still can’t crush them. So again I ask you…how is a 300K difference a 2 to 1 outsell? I have the earnings reports from both companies. what do you have? Youtube videos?

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Well first of all saying xbox one games revenue is more than the ps4’s is incorrect, you are not taking into account the fact that 360 data and ps3 data is included.

            I’m not basing this on articles i’m basing it on the NPD data that was released which clearly backs up everything i’ve said regarding both console and game sales. seriously, just look it up.

            The Q4 data that you claim (only 300k difference) was actually not at all accurate. it only takes into account shipped units and the dates were off as I say the NPD data shows all and you’ll notice as of today Sony has sold 5.3 million units.

            The countries that the ps4 released in vs Xbox one are insignificant, they were markets that the xbox failed to perform in historically hence ms ditching them. again look this up all the data is online.

            You also haven’t taken into account the ps4 launch due in japan, one of its biggest markets. this will only widen the gap.

            No one expected Sony to crush them in north america, in fact many thought that xbox would still sell more however they have sold half as much as the ps4 (NPD Data again, not hearsay or random articles) and world wide they have annihilated them sales wise.

            And if you have the earnings reports please share them lol

          • Cliff Giddens

            I don’t pay attention to NPD either because they also said that xbox one sold 3 mil end of q4 when they sold nearly 4 mil. NPD does a lot of guessing so don’t use their data to back you up

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Lol OK so I have to ignore official data and just believe what you tell me ha ha

            No point talking to you man, when the facts are presented to you you simply ignore them

          • Cliff Giddens

            Really? Facts? NPD has guessed at everything and never matched actual numners once released. That’s a fact. Did I send you the earnings report? If I didn’t I’ll post it for you. NPD hasn’t been right yet. Like I said stop looking at everyone else’s data amd only look at each company’s report. I’m not trying to be rude or argue. I just don’t believe data unless it’s off of the company’s earnings call. Everyone else fudges numbers. Including Sony amd MS

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            It’s pointless talking to you because you don’t understand shipped vs sold, you don’t understand the fact that software sales included 360 games etc etc etc

            I’m not really bothered about convincing you that your delusional opinion is wrong, I’m all about the facts.

      • Not_true

        Apparently PS4’s stronger hardware, ~3.8 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset, causing them to spread lies, ignorance, and hatred. Thankfully everyone is ignoring these deranged children and buying PS4s like hotcakes anyway.

        8.5+ million PS4s and counting. Nothing you say will stop it, you are helpless. Keep lying and hating while everyone else ignores you.

        You don’t understand business, sales, or hardware specs, all you can do is fling feces and scream “XBOX WON!!1” like a rabid animal. Microsoft fanboy shills don’t love their console they just hate the success of others. You must have issues to literally hate a piece of plastic and people who like gaming on it.

        Get help, it’s not healthy to hate pieces of plastic and people who like playing video games on them. Some severely deranged people are upset at PS4’s success and have to spread lies, hate, and ignorance, apparently.

        PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt.

        It’s sad PS4 is dominating so badly that hateful, delusional microsoft fanboy shills are left desperately wishing Sony would go bankrupt. Keep dreaming, it’s not happening. Typical sick in the head microsoft shills cheerleading and celebrating other people’s misfortune and spreading lies, FUD, and hate.

        Sony has revenue of $75+ billion yearly, $149+ billion in total assets, and $27+ billion in total equity. They are still one of the largest corporations in the world with 145,000+ employees and ranked #94 on the Fortune 500 2013. They have several billion in current cash reserves to buy companes like Crytek if they wanted to.

        Sony is selling or splitting off their lossy businesses (Vaio, TVs) and focusing on their profitable divisions. This means they’ll soon cut their losses and start turning a profit. You should be worried if Sony WASN’T cutting those losing divisions, but they’re making the right business decisions. They won’t ever be an empire again but they aren’t going under.

        The gaming division and first party studios are well funded, are in a net profit, and working on PS4 games. During the quarter ending 31st December 2013 the Game business made a profit of $172m off the back of an impressive 64.6 per cent rise in sales year on year. Sony is in for a year or two of losses and restructuring, then provided their profitable divisions stay profitable, they’ll be on solid ground.

        Sony is still worth 18.5 billion (in market cap). They just aren’t bringing in enough revenue or profits to bring that number up, and for a time, and probably for a few quarters here or there for the next few years, they might lose money. They also obviously have working capital, because they have games in development right now, and are able to market their newest system and do what they have to do to sell their products. If Sony were on the brink of bankruptcy, we wouldn’t be seeing AAA game announcements with budgets ranging from $50-100 million dollars. If they were on the brink of bankruptcy, they wouldn’t be buying Gaikai, or investing in new tech such as Morpheus or the PS4. PS4 will make a net profit, and Sony won’t go bankrupt.

        Sony Game, Financial Services, Devices, Music, Mobile Products & Communications, and Pictures are all profitable divisions. They aren’t going anywhere, sorry.

        Sony’s market cap is 18.65 billion as of today (2014).
        Market cap in 2013 was 17.6 billion it has gone up since then.
        Sony is ranked #80 in world as the most valuable brand 2013.

        Sony is ranked #506 in the global 2000
        #87 in Sales
        #171 in Assets
        #547 in Market value
        78.52 billion dollars in sales in 2013

        Sony Games Division FY 1995-2013:
        -9+57+117+137+77-51+83+113+68.5+43+9-232-125-58-56+48.5+29+2-8 = 244 billion yen net profit

        Yes the games division is still a NET PROFIT even after the PS3 losses, PS1 and PS2 were just that successful.

        Sony still has over 18 billion in cash reserves, the loss they have is large no doubt about this, was already set aside in restructuring costs, by doing this now they are going to be saving in over 1 billion in costs! This takes time, and in that time if Sony did not do what the board has done it would have been far worse, over 2 billion in further losses.

        The point is playstation stock is not for public buy in. Sony has over 148 billion in physical assets, sony could indeed liquidate every thing except for smart phones, entertainment and playstation and still have paid off debt, and still have 18 billion on hand to invest back into the three core pillars of the company.

        PS4 has many great AAA games that gamers love. That’s why it’s 8.5+ million in sales and growing. Sony’s large number of well funded 1st parties will ensure PS4 has a ton of great AAA exclusives, as many or more than PS3.

        1st/2nd party studios include Japan Studio, Polyphony Digital, Naughty Dog, SCE Bend, SCE San Diego, SCE Santa Monica, Sucker Punch, Pixel Opus, Evolution Studios, Guerrilla Games, Guerrilla Cambridge, SCE London, Media Molecule, Ready at Dawn, Quantic Dream, etc.

        For some reason PS4 keeps selling like hotcakes despite attempts to downplay its library. All 3 consoles have good exclusive games, it’s only fanboys trying to trash one or the other and pretend it has “no gaems lolol”.

        Some of the AAA PS3 2013 exclusives: Beyond Two Souls, The Last of Us, Puppeteer, God of War: Ascension
        Gran Turismo 6, Ni No Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch (not 1st party), Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time, Ratchet & Clank: Into the Nexus. Expect a similar level of long term PS4 support with tons of 1st party games.

        PS4 rest of 2014 exclusives Jun-Dec: The Last of Us Remake, Driveclub, LittleBigPlanet 3, Infamous: First Light, Samurai Warriors 4, Natural Doctrine, Guilty Gear Xrd, Singstar, Resogun DLC, and lots of indies.

        PS4 2015 exclusives (announced): Bloodborne, The Order, Ratchet & Clank Remastered, Uncharted 4, Let It Die, Deep Down, and lots of indies.

        PS4 has 36+ AAA games from July to December 2014, or 6 per month. 3rd party AAA games will be increasingly multiplatform on both consoles.

        PS4 AAA games from July-Dec 2014: The Last of Us Remastered, Driveclub, LittleBigPlanet 3, Infamous: First Light, Samurai Warriors 4, Guilty Gear Xrd Sign, Singstar, Sniper Elite III, Diablo III: Ultimate Evil Edition, Madden NFL 15, Metro: Redux, Destiny, NHL 15, FIFA 15, Alien: Isolation, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor, Grand Theft Auto V, NBA 2K15, NBA Live 15, Battlefield: Hardline, Evolve, Just Dance 2015, The Evil Within, Assassin’s Creed Unity, WWE 2K15, Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare, The Crew, Far Cry 4, Lords of the Fallen, Shadow Warrior, Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate, Sherlock Holmes: Crimes & Punishments, LEGO Batman 3: Beyond Gotham, The Legend of Korra, etc. Plus a truckload of indies.

        PS4 has the superior visuals on all console AAA multiplats, more dev support including indies, a large number of first party studios, free to play games and MMOs, and unannounced 1st party games. Titanfall 2 and future 3rd party games will almost certainly be on PS4.

        PS4 is selling on price/performance, the best visuals on console multiplats, better PR, and long term 1st party/exclusive games support. Watch Dogs on PS4 alone sold 2 million out of the 4 million total. Don’t worry PS4 will keep selling like hotcakes based on superior multiplats alone, and bundles with Destiny and Watch Dogs. PS4 is 8.5+ million and counting sold to consumers.

        PS4 is currently outselling Xbox almost 2:1 globally, 7 million to ~4 million as of April 6 2014. The sales gap is growing wider despite price drops and free Titanfall bundles. PS4 is still very supply constrained in some non-US countries.

        MS shipped 5 million to stores, sold ~4.2 mil to consumers, with ~800k rotting on store shelves. Most console gamers are ignoring MS fanboy apologizing, denial, and damage control and buying PS4s. Playstation is a net profit and PS4 will gain on that profit.

        As of July 6 2014 PS4 is about 8.5 million sold to consumers, and Xbox One is about 4.6 million sold to consumers.

        “It’s selling better than 360” isn’t much to say since 360 was severely supply constrained in its first year. They’ll soon run out of rope for that particular PR bit.

        Wii and PS2 were also supply constrained, then had meteoric rises in their 2nd+ years. Both Xbox One and PS4 will pass under those two.

        Xbox One has overstock issues. 2014 Xbox One sold about 1.5 million consoles so far with 0 supply issues. That’s only 250k a month, not great for a console’s first year. Xbox One will quickly fall under 360 and even PS3 sales if it keeps selling 250k a month like it has in 2014.

        “2nd fastest selling console ever!!1” No, sales cratered after the one time fanboy frenzy at launch.

        Xbox will hardly sell anything in smaller “tier 2” markets already dominated by PS3 and PS4. The global gap is growing wider, Xbox will never surpass PS4 in global sales.

        The 13 countries Xbox One launched in already account for ~90% of 360’s sales. Remaining countries will be 10% at best, but probably less since it’s launching late, more expensive, and less global appeal than the MURICA’ NFL TV box. I estimate the % of sales from non-launch countries around 5-6% at best.

        Furthermore, Xbox is ALREADY AVAILABLE in pretty much every European country as a grey market import. They’re stacked on the shelves of “unlaunched” European countries. That leaves Asia, South America, Middle East, and African countries.

        These markets for Xbox are so tiny they might as well be rounding errors. In other words, barely enough to move the global needle, let alone keep it from tracking under the 360 shipped numbers.

        I can’t wait for September’s “launch” to arrive with all the sales force of a wet fart. Microsoft fanboys will be left gobbling up a mountain of crow yet again while scrambling for more excuses and straw grasping. Same with this China straw grasping. I’m sorry but that’s reality and if you think Xbox sales are going to skyrocket in September you’re in for some serious crow eating.

        Xbox does not have access to all of MS’s money, they’re given a budget by shareholders and expected to turn a profit. MS shareholders aren’t going to throw endless billions into the Xbox brand that shows little or no sign of turning a profit.

        The Xbox brand has lost Microsoft billions of dollars, Xbox One will lose them further billions. Why do you think Microsoft investors keep calling for it to be sold off? Xbox, Bing, Surface, and Windows Phones are all in the same general area of failure and net loss. MS’s consumer products besides Windows have almost all been failures.

        OG Xbox lost billions, 360 made some profit but not nearly enough to cover the OG Xbox loss. Xbox One looks like an even bigger loss. Why do you think shareholders keep demanding Xbox be sold off, and execs keep mentioning selling Xbox? It’s a net loss that has lost Microsoft billions of dollars and not likely to turn a net profit anytime soon if ever.

        Xbox is not “doing well”. The Xbox brand has lost MS billions of dollars, with Xbox One set to lose even more money. MS consumer products like Bing, Surface, and Xbox are all money losers for MS and some shareholders are increasingly unhappy about it.

        Xbox One will be a net LOSS, not profit. Only question is how much they’re going to lose.

    • Ag Da Truth
    • Hippie_Einstein

      Lol how you talk about a gaming machine when pc leaves both ps4 and xbox one in the dust. Ps4 may have a slight advantage but xbox makes up for it in interface. Both are sub par gaming machines when compared to pcs tho. Besides maybe a little extra grass on ps4, both consoles are equal and both have their advantages.

  • Facts First

    Of course Rebellion has trouble making games on the Xbox One. They’ve had trouble making games on every machine they’ve ever tried.

    Lets see. These are the guys responsible for Rogue Warrior, Aliens vs Predator, Never Dead. Ok. Case closed.

    • njb

      Rogue Warrior is actually fun, aint the best thing ever but you can get some kicks out of it. AVP is quality, Sniper Elite is fun and its great seeing the bullet cams. Judge Dredd also kicks ass.

      Rebellion are not the only Dev struggling with the eSRAM or the Xbox One in general. The Xbox One was rushed out of the door to compete with PS4, so its going to have problems. Same with the 360, released a year before PS3 and we all know about the problems it had, +50% fail rate is disgusting.

      Anyway, this is good news, they know the problem and they say that their learning how to use it.

  • GK15

    This is encouraging to hear for Xbox gamers.

    • jaskdavis

      The DX11.2 Conference that was held right before the X1’s release talked about the ESRAM in the X1 briefly stating that 32mb of eSRAM was exactly the amount needed to display a 16bit, 1080p 2xMSAA Frame buffer or they could use it as a 6gb tile for Textures. I think that is what he was referring too since the DX11.2 update is Wed for Xbox One (last week for PC) so hopefully it wont be a bottle neck anymore.

  • Adam

    I figured it was the eSRAM. The X1 is comparible to a mid range pc but can be optimized, a game like COD ghosts should easily be at 1080p 60fps on that hardware. This is good news looking forward.

  • burnthouse

    Wish Microsoft would add new apps to Xbox One as most users are having to keep hold of their 360 as it has a huge amount of apps… plus why ain’t Warface coming to Xbox One do they want people to move to new gen or stay old gen make up your mind Microsoft :(

    • logik893

      Yeah I still use my 360 for the apps it has. MY 360 went from my living room into my room (replacing my PS3 in the room) because of all the apps the 360 has over the ps3. The XBO is sitting nicely on my living room. But yes, they need to catch up on the 360’s apps.

  • Allen

    PS4 is a better multimedia device. Cable pass thru is nothing and ps4 does all other things better with ps3 still owning all.

    Glad to hear that it will indeed get easier to obtain 1080p on x1

    • GK15

      Allen it’s an opinion saying that PS4 is a better multi media device.

      And it’s not just cable pass through. I can literally go to game, channel, song, app, all instantly with my voice. And it actually works great. It works well enough to be reliable and isn’t just a gimmick. First device I’ve had that does it all so well. Also the facial recognition that loads all my favorites and channels and differentiates between me and my wife.

      I know PS4 does voice commands as well, but is it just pause, play, etc. like Kinect 1.0? Or is it instant switching between everything like Kinect 2.0?

      • Allen

        Local TV is not on Xbox one so channel isn’t going to do any good. PS4 also has facial recognition and I understand Kinect has more developed voice commands. But that doesn’t make it this all in one device nor does it automatically give it the edge.

        PS4 is faster in downloading, loading, start up, begin to play times. It does need MP3 and DLNA support but that’s why the PS3 is still the true entertainment console. PS3 and X1 were both designed with entertainment in mind but like I said all PS4 is really missing is the MP3/DLNA support. Music is free off the net, no paywalls to streaming services, gaming, blu ray & DVD.

        I just get sick of seeing all this credit automatically given to xbox when all it really has is cable pass through.

        I hear ya man, I just don’t agree that entertainment is in xbox’s court and who knows how things will develop over the years.

        • DutchOven

          For $30 you can get a Homeworx HW 150PVR converter box. Lets you run local TV through the X1 and use all the features like OneGuide and Kinect options.

        • Ian Williams

          Ps3, so last gen

      • DutchOven

        I agree, for me cable pass thru is awesome, I used a Google TV set up before but this is vastly superior. My girlfriend is a fan of the facial recognition too, when I’m not around her pink theme pops up with her favorite apps and games, all her favorite channels marked in the one guide.

        I get that these features do not apply to everyone, but I love them.

        • GK15

          It’s true the features don’t apply to everyone, but I definitely enjoy them. They are what truly sets the XB1 apart from the PS4 imo. Otherwise, they would just be comparable game systems that both have streaming apps.

          It’s always on and I just go to everything right away. I felt like it took some getting used to at first, but now I’m used to it and it works great.

          Also glad to hear it’s getting a performance boost and games will be able to hit 1080p easier as well.

      • jaskdavis

        Just don’t have more than 4 apps running on top of BF4! Last night I was getting like 20-30fps trying to play a match. I brought up the menu for each tile in the background and I had Netflix, IE, Youtube and Twitch all running on top of BF4, had to “Quit” Twitch since it was bogging me down the most as it still streams video even if you are not watching (which I did not know) unlike netflix or other apps that pause as soon as you switch lol. Id say 3 apps/games TOTAL running at once is the ceiling (for now), anything more will just snail trail everything XD

      • James

        You can basically browse the menu, open applications like music unlimited, browser…, go back to the home screen or open a game.

        I think it has 3 times less commands than the X1 and doesn’t work in-game.

        I tried it and it works fine. I don’t use it though. It’s too much of a gimmick for me. I haven’t tried the X1’s yet but that doesn’t appeal to me. A quantum break or sunset overdrive appeals to me much more than any of these extra features. But that’s just me.

        • GK15

          That’s cool. And I respect your opinion if it’s not your thing.

          I actually like the fact that I could use XB1 for cable though, as it’s always on and my device does pretty much everything. I went to the Arctic Monkeys concert Sat night at MSG (amazing), and I wanted to play them when I got home, just said “Xbox, Bing, Arctic Monkeys” and boom it was right on. My wife and I want to watch a movie, just say “Xbox, Bing, movie.” Watching TV and want to switch to a game, etc….

          Anyway, I like it, but was slightly disappointed that some multi plats were looking a little worse on XB1, but glad to see they are sorting that out a bit.

          I do like the PS4 as well and respect it a lot. Was playing PS3 all day yesterday actually. Sorry if I come off a little fanboyish sometimes. Just get a little frustrated with the BS at times..

          • Mattress

            What was once rational debate on these forums has just turned into Roadshow, Mark and Oscar jumping up and down like trained monkeys throwing their own shit around whenever something positive is said about the X1. They don’t even talk about what the articles are about anymore – just start ranting about how much better the PS4 is over the X1, though I doubt any of them actually own both consoles.

          • James

            Mark has been trolling a lot lately. Oscar is also a silly fanboy and another troll.
            I wouldn’t agree about Roadshow. He is a bit like you in the way he defends his company.

            But let’s not forget those stupid MS trolls like blarg, ian williams or that idiot Reason who thought jaskdavis was a Sony fanboy.

          • Mattress

            Yeah there are plenty of idiots on both sides – I was more lamenting the fact that some people who used to engage in debate now just troll which isn’t as productive to my mind.

          • James

            Yeah I saw that too. I guess you should just ignore them. Trolls like fact firsts only wants people to reply or react. If we don’t reply or up vote trolling (whether pro sony or pro MS) comments they might stop making them.

          • Guest

            It’s hard because I like the debate / discussion but find myself more and more moving away from this site to others. I’ve found a great NZ based one where the people are much more friendly in their discussion and there are few (if any) trolls. The ratio of troll to actual debate is just too high here sometimes.

          • Mattress

            It’s hard because I like the debate / discussion but find myself more
            and more moving away from this site to others. I’ve found a great NZ
            based one where the people are much more friendly in their discussion
            and there are few (if any) trolls. The ratio of troll to actual debate
            is just too high here sometimes.

          • Mattress

            I’m more lamenting the loss of people on these forums who used to make a good contribution to debate / discussion who have now turned to just trolling and attacking the X1 at every opportunity.

            I thought long and hard about whether to get an X1 or a PS4. I also acknowledge that the PS4 is probably the better purchase for someone who wants slightly better graphics and is happy without motion controls. Ultimately, I personally went X1 because I got an absolutely fantastic deal (that was unmatched by the PS4), I love the X1 exclusives (e.g., Titanfall, Gears, Fable etc), and all my friends also wanted to get X1s (because they also got the amazing deal). Of course other factors went into my purchase but those were the biggest three.

            And I’m actually a little offended that you see me in the same light as Roadshow because I rarely if ever see him say anything positive about the X1 – he has never once said that he wants to buy one. On the other hand, I would own both an X1 and a PS4 in a heartbeat and acknowledge the pros and cons of BOTH systems (not just one side). But I can’t justify buying both at this time in my life. More importantly though, nor can I convince my beautiful new wife that 2 consoles is necessary when I also have a PhD to complete! I spend too much time on my X1 as it is! =)

          • James

            Yes at the end it comes down to personal preferences. Having already had a bad experience with the first kinect I was not to keen for kinect 2. I wasn’t too interested in those extra features. Also I do like some of sony’s exclus and this time I prefer the sony controller and PS+ offer.

            I guess in few years most of us will end up owning both systems like we do with the 360/PS3. Until then I’ll probably do like last time, we used to echange consoles for few weeks so we could play other company exclusives. That’s how I got play the resistance series.

            Sorry that I offended you. I didn’t mean it in a bad way. For me Roadshow isn’t a troll. He’ll only defend Sony like how you’ll defend MS. And my comparison ended there. I don’t think you hate sony like he hates MS.

          • Mattress

            Haha “offended” was perhaps to strong by me – it was more like “gosh, do I really come across the same as Roadshow”. I just hate seeing people express their opinions as if they are right and everyone else is wrong if they don’t agree. The world is not that black and white. So I discuss/ argue back so that they hopefully gain some perspective / insight from viewing a different opinion to their own. Also, I love hearing and understanding other people’s opinions.

            If you had a bad experience with the first Kinect, I can totally appreciate how you aren’t that excited about the second iteration. My first experience with it was with Kinect 2.0, Kinect Sports Rivals and playing the Jet Ski game with my wife. We both absolutely loved it and I’ve never seen her have so much fun with a video game – as she doesn’t really like playing them (though thankfully she likes that I enjoy them so much). I could not be more excited about the full release of that game.

            Also, I’m not even using the Kinect to it’s full potential with the voice controls because they are not available here in NZ yet so I am eagerly anticipating those becoming useable here – hopefully sooner rather than later. I could change my settings to Australia and use it that way as apparently it works very well. But that creates other problems like having to pay for games at Australian prices etc so I’m just happy to wait for them to patch it in.

    • logik893

      My 360 has more media futures than a PS4. All minus the blue ray.

  • Ian Williams

    Hypocrisy of ps4 fans

    -30fps is last gen, unless it’s for a ps4 exclusive
    -They talk like all games run at 1080p on ps4, when the order will be 800p
    -They talk about how Sony cares for its games, yet makes them wait for Japan for an update, while their games and saves are being lost.
    -Before Titanfall 1 was exclusive, ps4 fans said man when it comes to ps4 it will
    sell a ton, even more than on XB1. Now that it is exclusive, it sucks,
    it’s overrated, it’s COD with mechs
    -When there was a possibility of Gears of War going to ps4, man that game is going to be awesome, it will do wonderful on the ps4. Now that microsoft boughtt the rights, GOW ran its course and is another rehashed game.
    -PS4 fans call out rehashed sequels like Halo and GOW, but praise crap like infamous and uncharted, which happen to be 2 of the main releases slated for 2014 for ps4.
    -ps4 players say XB1 gamers overpaid for our console, but they pay $50 per
    year for crap that still needs to shut down for maintenance and is
    constantly being hacked. No multitplayer exclusives only about 5000
    still play KZ online.
    -They deny all ps4 problems, such as the horrible controller, the eraser station 4 destroying all your saves and games, the BLOD, drive issues, and overheating issues, and faulty friends list.
    -They boast about all the games it has, yet the XB1 had the better launch and will have the better 2014 lineup.
    -ps4 fans hate the PC comparisons, but will be quick to mention how they will be getting a Microsoft exclusive on pc.
    -ps4 believe the Kincect is gimmicky, but are clamoring for a 15 year old virtual boy technology.
    -They think ps now is innovative, when Sega channel was done like 15 years ago.
    -They thought the cloud was a facade, until psn now said it would use the cloud. Not it’s the greatest thing ever.
    -ps4 gamers are constantly trying to give Microsoft advice on how to run
    their gaming business (drop the kinect), when Sony is two days away from
    the toilet.
    -They hate DRM, but they are technically borrowing games with ps+
    -Ps4 fanboys say what was the point of upgrading to an XB1, yet all they have played on their ps4 is ps3 games.

    • Whitbizzle

      You my friend have way too much spare time on your hands.

    • jaskdavis

      The Order is not 800p… lol, it’s 1920×800 which is custom Resolution using a (or close too) 2.35:1 As it’s aspect ratio. You will get “Full HD” out of it as far as horizontal but you will have the “Black Bars” like most movies have that are shot in a 16:9 format just a wider FOV. The actual pixel count is a little more than 900p, 800p is NOT a progressive resolution. BF3 on Xbox 360 and PS3 practiced something similar since they could not get the game to run Full 720p on last gen so they went with a custom 1280x702p (progressive scan) image but had tiny black bars on top and bottom of screen to make up for the 18 pixel lines vertically.

      • Reason

        Jaskdavis…now do that type of explaining for the xbox one. Ohh…you won’t because you just don’t like it. You will explain away everything on ps4 and not give anything on xbox one the same benefit. Fanboyism at its finest.

        • Country Boy Lucifer

          lol if you came to this site more you’d know that he’s an x1 owner and hasn’t even bought a ps4 yet he’s just the only truly unbiased guy on this site

          • Reason

            I own both. What does that make me. Guess I’m ultimately unbiased and I bought the ps4 first. Your cheerleading means nothing in this conversation.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            Well it simply means your assumption of this person was incorrect.

            Owning both does not make you unbiased, i owned the 360 and the ps3 but i remained firmly on the side of sony mainly because they had free online and the better exclusive content

          • Reason

            I had no assumption. he owns xbox…fact. He’s explaining away ps4 issues…fact. He’s not explaining away xbox one issues when he could in the same way…fact. Enough said my man. You are the person who is assuming.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            “now do that type of explaining for the xbox one. Ohh…you won’t because you just don’t like it.”

            Incorrect assumption

            “You will explain away everything on ps4 and not give anything on xbox one the same benefit.”

            Incorrect assumption

            “Fanboyism at its finest”

            Incorrect Assumption.

            If anything the dude slightly favors xbone! so i think I have clearly pointed out that you were in fact the one making assumptions and not me

          • James

            lol and the worst part is he won’t even admit he made a wrong assumption. And the way he defends himself…

          • jaskdavis

            This guy has lost his mind lol

          • Oscar Portillo

            Reason just wants to be your freind he is kinda like the ugly girl that got no play.

            He tries to talk about specs but if he knew anything then he knows that if the XBox 1 achieves native 1080p then it will fry as it will be pushed to a point of overclocking.

            And even the best fan wont mean crap once the chips start to overheat and the soldering starts to give way.

            So Mark just let the kid talk out his mouth as the only person for XBox I take serious is Jaskdavis.

          • Sniper@

            No his cheer-leading made u the total laughing stock of this thread, summarizing your below average intelligence, which lead you, to purchase a below average product, and now hate on other people because your product performs ” BELOW AVERAGE” (i.e 720p)

          • 111AlaN111

            tells the one who’s in Xbox forums without having a X1

        • GK15

          He actually did something just like that for XB1 in this very thread

        • jaskdavis

          Wow, you can tell you are “New” to this site buddy, Next time look at my past history before commenting. I own a Xbox One, not a PS4… Yet. I just call it how I see it with an open mind silly goose

          • Sniper@

            The internet crucifies sensible people

        • Sniper@

          lol u M$ guys even spew bile on people who own xboxes…….but call us SONY-PONY

    • Mrteapot

      Omg that is all true

      Other then imitating wii with motion controls and that god aweful smash brothers knock off PS all stars and knocking off xbox live with PS network, triggers on dual shock, and motion voice kinect camera…the only real innovation is GDDR5?
      Sony: we can’t think of real innovation…MORE POWEEERA!

    • Allen

      LOL! Thank you for proving how idiotic you are. Just had to reply.

      -Xbox One is home of the most 30fps games to date. And if I remember right there were far more xbox gamers saying 60fps and 1080p a must.

      -See Jaskdavis for The Order response.

      -What are you even trying to say? Japan is being launched last and I believe it’s the 22nd of this month. Sony has done a good job to fix problems that have come up.

      -Titanfall has been known to be “exclusive” since announcement and looking at old graphics it has never been a big game in my book and if it is good I always said I’d get it on PC. BTW almost any PC can run this with a decent graphics card and probably better than X1.

      -No one wanted freaking gears of war on Playstation. It lost it’s way with the 3rd installment. I did enjoy the first on PC will admit.

      -Sony doesn’t release a new uncharted or infamous game every year like COD and Assassins Creed. And dude freaking look at Forza, Gears and Halo. Like a broken record those are the only 3 games truly exclusive to 360 and released often.

      Uncharted – 2007
      Uncharted 2 – 2009
      Uncharted 3 – 2011
      Uncharted 4 – 2015?

      Infamous – 2009
      infamous 2 – 2011
      Infamous Second Son – 2014

      Forza 3 – 2009
      Forza 4 – 2011
      Forza Horizon – 2012
      Forza 5 – 2013

      Halo 3 – 2007
      Halo ODST – 2009
      Halo Reach – 2010
      Halo Wars – 2011
      Halo Anniversary – 2011
      Halo 4 – 2012

      Point is Microsoft releases more of the same games more often, cashing in. Contrary to what you say.

      -Ha! Proof your word has no merit. $50/yr, $10 less per year than XBL which is a worthless service on X1 while Sony delivers huge free games for the “subscription”. Dissing it because it needs maintenance and ignoring all of xbox live’s problems. Didn’t the cloud fail day 1?

      And you ignore all the problems xbox live has suffered. Downtime in 2007, accidental bans, accounts hacked and money stolen, day 1 X1 problems etc.

      -X1 didn’t have some huge difference in launch games. They did have more exclusives at launch and some exclusives have been pushed back for PS4 but PS4 has a good line up and you know for a fact that the future of PS4 is in much better hands than X1. Just look at the last 4 years of 360’s life and really look at the exclusives so far for X1. Again they are decent but you can’t go blowing off Sony’s exclusive – that makes you a blind ignorant xbot fanboy.

      -PS4 fans love PC comparisons. What in the world are you talking about? I love to see PC VS PS4 side by side footage. The whole benefit of having a PS4 and PC is that you get FAR more games out of that set up than you can otherwise without a PS4. I mean Sony and Nintendo exclusives aren’t on PC. Xbox is. That isn’t some point you should be making because it’s all against you. Just one more reason why xbox is not necessary.

      -Deny PS4 minor problems? Controller is junk! LMAO, yeah yet Dual Shock 4 has been praised by so many and preferred by the DICE team for Battlefield. DS4 has blue tooth/gyroscope/battery/touch pad/light bar & speaker all for $60 yet Xbox has none of that for $60 + $25 battery pack making each $85! Again ripping you off. Costing the most and giving the least.

      -I assume you are talking about the PS4 VR headset and I believe that those excited for it are those that were excited for oculus rift. Or perhaps you are just sad that microsoft isn’t coming out with one?

      -PS Now is an awesome feature and something that the Azure cloud has been proven not to be able to do if I remember correctly. I don’t think anyone called it innovative, it was a service purchased years ago so how would that be innovative. Just another thing against xbox is what it is.

      -PS Now cloud is different than microsoft claiming they have 10 xbox one’s in the cloud for every physical xbox one and that this some how would help close the gap on PS4’s superior performance. Complete lie and apparently you bought it like a fool. A blind ignorant xbot fool.

      -Playstation has turned a profit for Sony and they like most technology companies are trying to figure out where their place is in the future. Microsoft is having the same problems with windows being less and less viable and never having a valuable presence in the mobile market. Microsoft just happens to have less hardware out there unlike Sony which is king for all things entertainment and I do mean in all aspects. Movies, music, PC’s, mobile, games they are a huge part of everything entertainment and things have drastically changed over the last 4 years with Apple rising and everyone rushing to compete with them and the whole iFAD movement.

      -I just have to LOL when you call getting huge free games as part of the “subscription” to PS+ DRM. I mean in that case all digital copies are DRM anyways so this just another point you made that is simply not valid.

      -Not sure what you are saying on that last one. Needless to say it’s probably more of your idiotic BS.

      Thanks for the entertainment this morning! Was fun

      • Ian Williams

        Oh dear, you from texas? As you need to get off your horse and drink ya milk.

        • Oscar Portillo

          Now you playing to stereotypes.

          Kid go drink your momas milk as I can see you didn’t cause if you had you be a bit smarter.

          So you like cowboys huh????

          • Ian Williams

            Now your stereo typing. Kid eh?

        • Sniper@

          So we play the Race card……is that all you xbots resort to?

          • Ian Williams

            How is that a race card?

          • Sniper@

            How different is it to talking about a bucket of fried chicken…………..just coz u have a piece of shit which u seriously cannot defend, you dnt have to drag a persons personal details into it……

          • Ian Williams

            A bucket of what? It’s not a piece of shit it’s a decent games console that has different features to a ps3.5 how did I drag someone’s personal details into it? Your implying I know him by referring to him being from texas. I was mearly asking him to get off his high horse. How can that be racist. Please go find the definition of racism idiot.

          • Sniper@

            So why do your compare the crap box to a ps3.5…..prbbly coz it cnt keep up with the PS4?

          • Ian Williams

            Your a bit lost aren’t you.

          • Sniper@

            wHAT, wHERE, WhO?

          • 111AlaN111

            Differences between PS3 and PS4: Graphics

      • Ian Williams

        And owns a pc to play Xbox exclusives.

        • Allen

          I own a PC because:

          (1) PC exclusives
          (2) Supposed Xbox exclusives
          (3) DVD burner
          (4) Everything a PC does
          (5) Home media server which compliments my PS3.
          (6) Free online play
          (7) Best Controls for first person shooters.

          You lose again

          • 111AlaN111

            1) PC exclusives are worse than the console ones
            2) Xbox exclusives cant be on PC or can they?
            3) Any PC can do that (a typical home PC)
            4) Everything a Xbox does
            5) Xbox has home media too
            6) PC is more hacked (worse service)
            7) You must buy an speial control for that, and the only pro is PC has more buttons to press

      • Ian Williams

        Enjoy your friends list bug since last update and deleting of games

      • xXTeh CloudzXx

        The entertainment here was reading some of this garbled mess of misinformation, nice one trolly.

        “-Ha! Proof your word has no merit. $50/yr, $10 less per year than XBL which is a worthless service on X1 while Sony delivers huge free games for the “subscription”. Dissing it because it needs maintenance and ignoring all of xbox live’s problems. Didn’t the cloud fail day 1?”

        Oooook-

        Hmm, maybe you should find out what happens to all of those “Free Games” when you decide to STOP your subscription. Not so free anymore. How does it feel to be a renter, with a crappy network to toss money into?

        At least the FREE games with GOLD that Xbox LIVE promotes, you wont need to worry about NOT being able to use them if you drop your account, if you choose to. So, ten bucks a month more, for a BETTER network, superior multiplayer and games you actually own? No brainer there golden pony boy.

        Grasping at straws-

        “-Deny PS4 minor problems? Controller is junk! LMAO, yeah yet Dual Shock 4 has been praised by so many and preferred by the DICE team for Battlefield. DS4 has blue tooth/gyroscope/battery/touch pad/light bar & speaker all for $60 yet Xbox has none of that for $60 + $25 battery pack making each $85! Again ripping you off. Costing the most and giving the least.”

        That controller IS junk. Sticky buttons, shitty rubber thumb sticks, which on numerous accounts I have seen WORN the fuck out. As for that battery? Well, if the controller does not fall apart first, ( cross your fingers) you’ll be out, what, 50 in a replacement controller? There is nothing awesome about a controller that is junk solely on the fact the battery is now bad and requires complete replacement.

        It is a better idea to have the batteries accessible for replacement. Get some rechargeables and an mini HDMI cord and shut up. What, 12 bucks total? Yeah, that is rough. So, how long does that superior DS4 stay on in between each charge? that’s right..

        This was the best part-

        “-Sony doesn’t release a new uncharted or infamous game every year like COD and Assassins Creed. And dude freaking look at Forza, Gears and Halo. Like a broken record those are the only 3 games truly exclusive to 360 and released often.

        Uncharted – 2007
        Uncharted 2 – 2009
        Uncharted 3 – 2011
        Uncharted 4 – 2015?

        Infamous – 2009
        infamous 2 – 2011
        Infamous Second Son – 2014

        Forza 3 – 2009
        Forza 4 – 2011
        Forza Horizon – 2012
        Forza 5 – 2013

        Halo 3 – 2007
        Halo ODST – 2009
        Halo Reach – 2010
        Halo Wars – 2011
        Halo Anniversary – 2011
        Halo 4 – 2012”

        Yes, there are a few Halo games out there. The important part here is they are all different and combined they destroy the Uncharted and Infamous sales figures globally! Just Halo 3 and Reach alone are enough to dump on the entire Uncharted series. Man, we haven’t even touched Forza and Gears. I really hope you have better examples to fuel the losing battle. Number of games aside, my point is when two games out sell an entire trilogy, or whatever, the point becomes pointless.

        Your opinion about Gears of War on the Playstation was surely yours alone, you should find actual proof before you try to call a guy out, opinions mean squat. I have read on countless forums “how cool it would be for GOW to come to PS”. There was a ton of interest and people wanting that, fanboys aside, I am talking about the gamers who are not branded.

        Also, it is hard to take anyone serious when they use slang like “Xbot”. You sound like an idiot who should crawl out of the basement for an hour or two a day, I don’t know, run around the block or something?
        Let the trolling commence, this is clearly Sony Land.

        • Sniper@

          1) Would you mind comparing the games list by Games with OLD and PS+ before wanking your bile about?

          Most People would play and finish a downloaded game, before they decide to stop subscription or else anyway, unless you are plagued with “dementia” or just simply retarded.

          While games with old give you dead island this February, I am enjoying Outlast,Metro Last-light, Payday 2, remember me and mod nation racers on my PS4/PS3/Vita this month, all at a lower monthly cost than your crappy Games with OLD. (btw when will they announce anything for the xbone? )

          2) Funny thing is IGN, Gamespot, Polygon, Metro and every damn gaming site prefers the Dual-shock 4 as the better controller.

          Maybe the Gaming sites are retarded just like the Sony Ponies or you are just plain b*tthurt at this point, you just type some nonsense about reliability and sticky stuff (are you sure at this point you are referring to the DS4 or something between your legs that’s not working properly?)only a person with 2 digit IQ would comprehend. Im sorry but the DS4 reins supreme. Let me phrase you – “opinions mean squat” and your opinion on the DS4 is irrelevant

          3) Here I will agree that Halo during the last season had the upper hand in Sales, but does that mean that COD is the best game ever? Sales and Quality are two different things which is what Roadshow tried to emulate. However I will admit Forza looked better, but gameplay wise we all know GT is better. This area is all about taste.

          “Also, it is hard to take anyone serious when they use slang like “Xbot”.
          You sound like an idiot who should crawl out of the basement for an
          hour or two a day, I don’t know, run around the block or something?
          Let the trolling commence, this is clearly Sony Land”

          You are a complete imbecile if you think people take us seriously for what we say. This is just a simple forum.

          And finally let me welcome you to Sony Land. Where the people are sensible and smart………………

          • Ian Williams

            Wow your so macho, wish I was as big as you. Fooking keyboard warrior

          • Sniper@

            Dont be butthurt I just ownd u…….it hapns to alot of people

          • Ian Williams

            In their own little world in their own little minds

        • Ian Williams

          Clearly bottyland

      • 111AlaN111

        How many hours of your life did you waste?

        • Ian Williams

          In it

    • mathMaticks

      Wow, So you guys, actually made a Delusionanlized list, that astro-turfers quote off of,, huh?!?!

    • Oscar Portillo

      Still trying to fit in huh?

      Try turning off your console and step into the light.

      You are and will allways be a looser if all you do is nag.

      Play the games and shut up.

      • Ian Williams

        Ha ha bitching like a bitch

    • Revolver Ocelot

      Not going to read all that Xbot whining but The Order wouldn’t even make 720p/20fps on the Shitbox.

      “-They boast about all the games it has, yet the XB1 had the better launch and will have the better 2014 lineup.”

      lol, objectively wrong.

      • Ian Williams

        Throw the line out…

        • Revolver Ocelot

          Throw you out into the landfill, along with Shitbox. :)

          • Ian Williams

            And catch a fish….I got another and another

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Yeah, I really should stop replying to this low quality Xbot bait. Then again, it’s fun watching you squirm. :)

          • Ian Williams

            Squirm? I’m happy with my console. It’s funny watching you phonybots running everything down.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Don’t need to. The Xbone makes a joke of itself.

          • Ian Williams

            Like your pathetic comments.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Like your worthless existence.

          • Ian Williams

            No mirrors in your house?

          • Calvin Kinzie

            Bots?
            I think both are peasants.
            PC master race for the win

          • Not A PC Gamer

            PC MasterRace? What a fucking nerd..

  • Attacking the fanboys

    It’s funny how everyone focuses on the dev saying they are having problems with 1080p right now. And ignore when they say in the same article that 6 months ago they were worried, but not anymore. And that the xbox one will be running 1080p “comfortably” very soon. They also said that both consoles are very comparable. But don’t hate on me, because those are the words of the developer. I really don’t know why you people care about reading xbox one articles, if you hate the system so much. Why is it so important to you all to feel superior? You guys act like you built the PS4. Get over it, and go play some games.

    • Reason

      Right on man. Finally somebody actually reads the full article. Sony ponys will just pick out the points they want to. So let me guess sony guys. You trust everything in the article but the part about it catching up and running 1080p comfortably going forward

      • Allen

        You idiot fks. I specifically said glad to see that it will get easier to get 1080p and 60fps on X1 just as we all had thought.

        Oh but that’s right. All the xbots are out there all butt hurt they lost market share in every market including the stronghold of the US. Can’t wait to see how the next few months play out now that PS4 is in stock.

        The excitement of a new console, holiday sales and Xbox one being the only console readily available are over. Last week PS4 led X1 by 10,000 units in the US. Can’t wait to see if the lead continues.

        • Attacking the fanboys

          Ok, why must you resort to name calling? That isn’t necessary. If you read the whole article, then my comment wasn’t directed at you to begin with. So, why would I care about the xbox brand losing market share? All I want is a large community that I can play games with online. I already have that on xbox one, and that is at launch. As does the PS community.

          Btw, sales numbers weren’t mentioned anywhere in this article. And neither me or Reason mentioned sales either. Don’t know why you even brought it up.

          • Mattress

            He brought it up because he has (in his mind) a vested interest in Sony beating MS this generation. I’m not exactly sure what Roadshow gets out of the deal if that does in fact happen but he sure does seem to care a whole lot about it. He’s not the only Sony Pony in that camp – Mark Danger Hopps also seems to get a hard on about the sale numbers too.

            It really baffles me because I’m not interested in picking the winner. I just want a console that meets my needs and has exclusives I will really enjoy (e.g., Titanfall, Halo, Gears). As you rightly pointed out, so long as the community is large enough that I can enjoy those games with other people online then I’m happy. Only Sony fans seem to care who wins.

          • Sniper@

            It is because morons like M$ fan are the reason we pay around $60 to play online, which used to be our GOD GIVEN RIGHT, if we let these morons be done up their anuses this generation like the last generation, we might as well as end up paying M$ royalties for just switching on their crapboxes and playing a game.

  • fuzz monkey

    Did you sony ponies even read the full article? Let me rephrase it. SDK patch coming provides no problem to developers for 1080p 60fps games. How superior can your console be if it provides the same resolution and frame rate for games? Seriously you guys are so strung up on your high horse, pun intended, that you see one sentence and immediately start trolling. They are both great consoles. I still love my xbox. I don’t go bashing the PS4 on any sony articles because I enjoy the few first party franchises Microsoft does have. Instead of nagging on a console you clearly dislike, why don’t you go play the console you so heavily praise?

    • Reason

      Wow! No replies to the last 2 post from any of the sony ponies. Guess there is no more to discuss after the facts of the article are pointed out. Great arguing with you non debaters

  • chippywillbethere

    Man, all of you comment-ers are dumb. Just shut up already.

    • Reason

      Well being a comment-er yourself Scott, looks like you need to shut up too. So get to shuttin up.

      • Country Boy Lucifer

        I actually agree with you here

        • chippywillbethere

          Yeah, I meant everyone else. So to clarify: Everyone that isn’t me is engaging in a pointless fight of justifying needless material goods and it reminds me of the old Dr. Seuss story of the butter side up butter side down war. If you have a PC, Xbox, or PS just shut up about what things can’t do and enjoy them for what they can do.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            if thats the case why on earth are you on a site called attack of the fanboy? the clues in the name

          • chippywillbethere

            I am not biased in my media outlets, I go to ign, joystiq, giantbomb, kotaku, gamersyde, and this site. I feel it is good to be open minded.

          • Country Boy Lucifer

            yet you feel the need to comment with apparent superiority because you don’t wish to “pick a side” for want of a better expression yet by choosing to distance yourself you are picking a side which in your opinion elevates you above all of the people bickering?

            yeah you are just as bad or worse than anyone who has commented on this thread

          • chippywillbethere

            If it makes you feel better to categorize me then you can put me in with the Xbox crowd since I own an xbox one. But I don’t see how that affects any of the comment I’ve posted.

          • chippywillbethere

            Oh, and the missed the golden opportunity to say, “Wow Mark, I can’t believe you are listening to Reason for once.” (rim shot). God bless everyone.

          • 111AlaN111

            Why’re you here then? And attack of the fanboy sounds good, and the page is not fanboy, they tell true articles pro X1 and pro PS4

          • Oscar Portillo

            You still talking?

          • Mattress

            Man you’re a tool

        • Reason

          Hey. This stuff is all in good fun and debate. I prefer xbox others prefer ps4. Is what it is

    • Ian Williams

      Yeh,stfu.

  • SmartApps

    When its all said and done PS4 will have the better library of future classic titles. If you missed out on PS3, you literally missed every good game to play. I sure hope Titanfall is good for you Xbox gamers. Have you thought about what you will say if its not?

    I’ve seen plenty of the Beta footage, its not looking so great. I’m eager to see all the reviews for it. My prediction is it will be a game that shows signs for huge potential, but misses the mark with its low player count, small number of maps, high emphasis on AI bots and lack of a teamplay feeling.

    • chippywillbethere

      Oh yeah I just wanted to tell you that you saw plenty of Alpha footage and you weren’t impressed.

      • Reason

        Smart apps it’s not looking great to you. There are a 10’s of millions who think it looks awesome. Including me. And yes that was alpha footage. You have been corrected sir!

  • NathGamer

    This escalated quickly…

    • Mattress

      Sony fanboys don’t like hearing good news about the X1. They’re a little insecure for no apparent reason

  • iKushtyy

    They really should have called it the XBOX 720.

  • Jetsetwilly

    Soooo many idiotic fanboy comments, seriously take a step back, have a deep breath, and look at you just wrote..That’s right, your a complete prick. Enjoy what you have, chill.

  • BAD ADSc

    Sad to read this argueing on which is best.
    Who gives a shit what other people have brought. I personly got
    an xbox one because i enjoy xbox franchise more simple as that.
    If you enjoy playstation brand more good for you.
    But this fanboy bullshit is just gay. Grow up.

    • VersaType

      That and just because the xbox one is weaker doesn’t really mean anything. Funny part is many people seem to skip over the last part of the article. People should grow up and appreciate both systems. Both are great in their own ways. People act like the xbox one is so weak it can’t do 1080p at 60fps but yet the wii u can and i fact it has more 1080p at 60fps games than the ps4 and the xbox one. Can’t wait until the point where we go back to what matter the games. People didn’t ask for resolutions last gen. Stop asking for it this gen. Hell plenty of games have been 30fps at 720p or less in the past and have been amazing. Now should we try to upgrade specs with most games yes but consoles are never about power. That’s what pc’s are for.

  • dave mcnair

    I would be well p**sed at Sony if they’d released ps4 unable to keep up with xbone.

    titanfall won’t make up for everything else & isn’t even console exclusive. Also it will eventually come to ps4 or at least its sequel so…

  • Badazzzz13

    I love reading the hateful comments, Not. I chose the Xbox for its entertainment and games. It is hooked to my Uverse, works great. I do Skype with family and military friends. I own a ps3 and love killzone. Why hate if I chose what I wanted? No fanboy, it fit what I wanted. Oh and I’ll never notice a few less pixels on my TV.

  • Boredinfo

    I think it’s misinterpreted about PS4 being 50% more powerful than the Xbox One… Because it’s not. If it were, then that means the Xbox One would only have 4gb RAM, 4 core CPU, Half the bandwidth, etc. The Xbox One is actually around 13-17% less powerful than PS4 (Before Software Updates, CPU and GPU overclocks) The WiiU is deemed 50% more powerful than PS3 and 360… which is right! It has pretty much 1/2 more the power all around than either system and the Xbox One is deemed 8x more (800%) powerful than Xbox 360 which is also right.

    The PS4 will Always have the advantage in the GPU department since “Physically” it has more Shader Cores which Render Frames and calculate, but even the Xbox One’s GPU can render 1 frame every 5 milliseconds, just not at 1080p of coarse that fast. It also has a higher compute ceiling at 1.84 teraflops but that is software side vs hardware, as Xbox One’s FLOPS (FLoating-point Operations Per Second) has already changed from E3’s 1.25TFLOPS then after the GPU overclock from 800mhz to 853mhz in the retail version of 1.32TFLOPS and will only go higher as the 8% GPU allocation is freed and Devs probably already have that Software Dev Kit now and assuming somewhere around 1.4ishTFLOPS. The Xbox One’s GPU is Faster than the PS4’s just not as powerful, but in this case the More Power on PS4 outweighs the Faster Xbox One. The CPU Over clock was awesome news pushing it from 1.6ghz to 1.75ghz but I can’t comment on PS4’s since they never released the numbers but a developer stated recently that Both CPU’s were Identical and could be pushed past the fore-mentioned clockspeed if cooling could keep up (Obviously). DX11.2 is the newest Graphics Software update from MS and is the Leading Graphics API in the Gaming Industry over Mesa and OpenGL. When DX11 came out in 2011, the first game to show it off was Crysis 2, here is a video showing just how drastic a software update can be while running your systems same specs!

    http://youtu.be/hZgt4hA4-pc

    DX11.1 was used for BF3 to improve performance even further. DX10 only existed as a Xbox 360 graphics API but Windows Vista support as well. DX11.2 is the next big thing as it can Compress Textures ALOT into small chunks of MB tiles and a very fast 196gb/sec bandwidth and Can compress a 16bit 1080p MSAA Frame in an exact 32mb buffer (the exact amount in X1). So 1080p games will be far less stressful on the hardware. 72mb of ESRAM is currently the most you can purchase for retail.
    This is copied from someone much smarter than myself. Sums up a lot though….thought this site could use it. Games can,do, and will run 1080p. Multiplats wont be any less after the devs catch up and learn a bit. Games side for myself ( my opinion) only thing I want to play are infamous,the order, and god of war on ps4. the others Final fantasy, metal gear, kingdom hearts all gonnna be on Xbox one you add Titanfall, Halo, project spark, equal mulitplats and I don’t have much reason to get PS4. I can play all my games on one system and have all my multimedia and cool voice control on xbox one. the system specs are close enough not to matter they just work differently. Ill add having tons of indie games is like having tons off apps (iPhone,android) 1 outta 10 are cool rest is bloat crapware you don’t want to, but have to sort through. MS can be picky with indies, it fine with me. IMO my money well spen on xbox one. Others are happy with PS4. Diffenrent strokes. Happy gaming.

  • Boredinfo

    Also Ryse though a bit repetitive was fun, Forza is fun, the golf game is actually cool. BF4 runs great since they fixed it. So games don’t suck any more than PS4 I would imagine they will both hit and miss I would guess. They wil both offer quality all gen, Both have games that suck. It is about software they both can and will do great. it will be back and forth as it has been with PS4 and 360, why do people insist on inciting a strange hardware battle that seldom changes peoples minds. Initial Multiplats have been “subpar” but will change, I personally didn’t notice anydifference while at friends house watching him play BF4 versus my Xbox one version. lol but I always say if you really really have to look to see the difference it isn’t there. >:O)

  • Hugo Stiglitzo

    Xbox one standard = $500 + Tax , Ps4 Standard = $400 + Tax , Xbox one + Tax With Game = Around $620 , Ps4 + Tax /w Game = Around $520 , Oh yea you want 2 controllers so actual friends can play with you … Xbox one Standard + Tax /w Game & Controller = Around $680 , Ps4 Standard + Tax /w Game & Controller = Around $ 580 Add Ps4 Cam ($60+TAX) = $640 I know you can get some of these items cheaper at various places but this is still THE round’ about figure …Why do people say the prices like they are just getting a standard model with no game or extra controller , They are Both actually Overpriced in the “Get everything for cheap” world we live in today. When the Xbox 360 and Ps3 are still getting Much Play time , I wonder was it too soon for new consoles , i mean what are they anyway like 10% better than the past consoles? Titles Like Dark Souls 2 aren’t even coming out till mid march and Not Next Gen. are these Companies having Console wars with themselves?

  • General_VGamer

    So many idiots, look multimedia doesn’t make the thing any less powerful, it just makes some of the tools a tiny bit harder to use due to the software set up which is being fixed according to many devs, both systems are about equal in power give or take 3%. It all comes down to this: PS is a single player focus and enjoys a well tested but not new or innovative plan, Xbox focuses on multiplayer and is more about experimental tech that isn’t always better then the old but does have change. PS4 is NOT superior for games NOR is Xbox One, PS4 IS superior in SINGLE PLAYER, Xbox One IS superior in MULTIPLAYER.

  • Devious

    I’ve read about 70+ comments and almost all of it seems to be fanboys going “Wah wah wah WAHHHH! My pixels can beat up your pixels and day. Your mom, etc.”
    As one wise commenter posted. “Both consoles have pros and cons”. You simply buy the one that works for you, as one will do more of what you want, than the other. Simples.
    As for the stat rage. Well, there’s just no pleasing some people. Consoles have held up game development for too long now. Personally I believe the stats of both consoles to be substandard for the technology available. RAM, CPU FLOPS, Woefully underpowered GPU’s in both cases. I have to be honest, I expected more from the new consoles. No matter which console side if the fence you bat for, both are substandard. No matter which way you cut it. They should have been better.

    • Calvin Kinzie

      Get a PC

  • Not A PC Gamer

    Fuck all this shit.. While it’s always refreshing to see MS get their ass handed to them in sales and now performance.. the real issue this gen is that there are so many of your brain dead biscuit brains who are still supporting this company after they blatantly have shown that they have their own agenda at their reveal and have shown their true colors that they are not for the consumer.

    As soon as I saw that fucking reveal, I already knew this was the end of my relationship with the Xbox brand and as soon as they tried to denounce my ownership of disk based games and change this industry forever with crippling DRM which basically controlled how we play and when we play.. that was enough for me.

    You Xbox Corporate Slaves are soulless.. you have have no principles, no morals, no shame, no standards and are gullible, Naive and totally inept. You are all used to accepting all the BS these corporate criminals throw at you with a smile on your face! Somehow when the DRM returns and the price of XBL is raised again another 10 bucks.. I bet there will be plenty of you idiots who still aren’t capable of thinking for yourselves and Jumping out like I did and every other rational human being who can read between the lines..

    This has nothing to do with being a fan of another platform either, this has to do with standing up and fucking taking notice when something is staring you right in your face.

    • diggie

      Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself you made the right decision .

  • Gdom

    *Yawn* Meanwhile, PC’s have been at 1080p for half a decade….

  • stillwaitingforgreatness

    how stupid is this story now?

  • Can your ps4 come on when you ask it to no xbox one has the best graphics and the games are way better then ps4 can your ps4 play the your games for you while your out no it cannot and with the windows 10 app for the xbox one and will soon be playing pc games i think xbox one is better because xbox one is much better because it will be playing Pc games as well i think that is awesome and i am a program promoter for these types of software and i give 10.00 ratings to Microsoft for the game console and awesome rating for the Xbox one nice job guys for making the xbox one

  • Their is so much more with the xbox one then the Ps4 you got to find out for yourself so much more then th3 PS4 i love the xbox one i love the games that has for the Xbox one better then PS4

  • Fan you download the windos 10 to your ps4 i dont think so but with the xbox one you can it is far more high tech then the ps4

  • Nachopinion

    If I wanted a media hub I’d get a chromecast and save $350. And PS4 is no longer just a gaming console, they just prioritized that before expanding into other media markets. When XBONE starts it’s own chord-cutting cable streaming service let me know and I’ll call it a media center. Until then, it’s just a GUI that plays games, and not that well…

  • Nick Harris

    “We purposely did not target the highest end graphics.
    We targeted it more as a broad entertainment play and
    did it in an intelligent way and focused on key aspects
    of the IP for that.” – Greg Williams,
    General Manager of Silicon Development at Microsoft

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhiQ7Ua_tzA&t=5m43s