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The Legend Of Zelda Wii U Will Feature New Villain According To Official Website

| July 24, 2014

The Legend Of Zelda Wii U Will Feature New Villain According To Official Website News Nintendo  The Legend of Zelda

Even though we got the grand reveal of The Legend of Zelda Wii U, we still do not know a ton about the game itself, outside of the short trailer and some details we’ve learned from people like Eiji Aonuma. However, the official Nintendo website in Japan has added a very interesting description, that seems to hint at something we did not know prior.

Rev-Level pointed out this new description and the fact it mentions that Link will be facing a new villain in The Legend of Zelda Wii U. That site got this info through Google Translate, but when asked for more legitimate translations, the site was given this one.

  • “This software is a Wii U Edition new legend of Zelda series. Faced with mysteries in the world of Zelda spread indefinitely without boundaries, a new link, a new nemesis.”

If this description is correct, it appears we will be seeing a new villain of some sort in the next The Legend of Zelda game, which isn’t a major surprise. I do expect Ganon to be involved in some capacity, as with every first game on a new generation for Zelda, but that doesn’t mean we won’t be getting someone new like Agahnim or Zant as a major player before the eventual Ganon. Sadly, it’s likely going to be a good while before we learn anything more, so we likely won’t get the answer to this one for awhile.

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  • TheFiendishRedbeard

    Why don’t they just release the phucking game already?!?!?!

    • Leif Kelley

      For a few reasons:
      1. Its not fully done yet.
      2.They are focusing their marketing towards SSB4.

    • Mario Penta

      do you want it to phucking suck?
      thats what would happen if they released right away, so be patient, its only roughly one year left.

  • Cervantes de Leon

    Ganondorf had better appear!

    • hollander

      NO

  • Hyrulean King

    That honestly sounds like a relief. If they are rethinking the Zelda formula, then a new villian will go a long way towards helping achieve that goal. I have beaten Ganondorf too many times since A Link to the Past.

    • Lord Lemmy

      But we’ve had new villains unrelated to Ganondorf for the past 4 games. Having another new villain wouldn’t really “rethink” the Zelda formula, because this has been going on since Phantom Hourglass.

      • Roy Rogers

        Well, if the new villain was not after the triforce so a new villain is still rethinking the conventions of Zelda and come on let’s face it demise was related to ganondorf and Ganon was still the bad guy in a link between worlds. If ALL he did was introduce a new villain and kept the puzzles and temples the same which he said he was trying to change then I would agree that it wasn’t really rethinking the conventions. By not changing the villan and using Ganon that would not be rethinking the conventions of Zelda. Although either way all the interviews I’ve read have gotten me pumped for this game. God I hate getting too excited for one game makes the wait unbearable.

        • Lord Lemmy

          We’ve had Vaati 3 times and he wasn’t after the Triforce a single time. So no, it wouldn’t be rethinking the conventions JUST to have a new villain, regardless what they are after. The game play is really where the conventions come in to play, the villain has little to do with it now.

        • Lord Lemmy

          Also, Ganon was NOT the bad guy in ALBW. He had a glorfied cameo, but the villain was just Yuga. Yuga took over Ganon’s body to give himself power… Ganon didn’t make him do it, it and was all Yuga’s plan from the beginning. Ganon was just a convenient plot device to give Yuga his power, and nothing else… Which really REALLY annoyed me about Ganon’s appearance… it was basically pointless to have him there.

          • hollander

            There’s still debates revolving around the subject:
            Who is in command? Yuga or Ganon?

            It’s like a struggle between the two, but the fuse
            has influences from both Yuga and Ganon,
            I would almost say that Yuga sacrificed himself
            for the almighty Ganon.
            And Yuganon appears to me as if Ganon was in command.
            And the music playing during the final battle was a remix
            of Ganon’s earlier battle.

            And remember the Vision Link had in the beginning of the game?
            He saw Ganon in a dream, as if Ganon warned him that HE would come back.
            maybe Ganon influenced Yuga from the outside.
            Yuga appears to me as a kinda helper like Ghirahim or Cole or Zant.

          • Lord Lemmy

            The FIRST phase has the Ganon boss theme from ALttP, while the FINAL battle uses Yuga’s theme. Plus, they only refer to him as Yuga, even after the fusion. If it really was Ganon, he would have called himself so. And from what Yuga talks about right before betraying Hilda, it sounds like Yuga is definitely in command, and this was his plan all along.

          • hollander

            HHmm, they refer to him as yuga because they only
            know Yuga, hilda etc. have know idea who Ganon might be.
            Yuga and Ganon both fused but it was going about Zelda and Hilda,
            and Yuga had a plan Ganon didn’t have one, so Yuga talks as the captain of his plan, kinda. Hope you understand me.

          • Lord Lemmy

            The story of ALttP is written and drawn in Hyrule Castle. If Link and Zelda don’t know who Ganon is (I mean his image is right there in the castle) then they’re totally oblivious to their own culture.

          • hollander

            Hilda doesn’t know who Ganon is.
            Yuga had a plan so the acted towards that plan
            so it looks like Yuga is in command while that’s
            no the case.

          • Lord Lemmy

            But still, if it was truly Ganon and not Yuga, he would have stated something. Instead, he talks about art still, and how he is the most beautiful being. Which isn’t Ganon-like AT ALL. Maybe Ganon’s evil did warp Yuga a bit, but it’s still Yuga completely in control there.

            The game would have let us known that it was Ganon in control, not Yuga.

          • hollander

            Why completely in control?
            Only the art thing suggest Yuga so he is fully in command?

          • Lord Lemmy

            Ganon would have revealed he’s Ganon, because he’s got immense pride. He’s supposed to be one of the most powerful beings in existence, yet he lets everyone think it’s just Yuga? No. Ganon wouldn’t do that. Ganon would assume full control. But being that Ganon didn’t have ANY control, it was because when he was resurrected in OoA/OoS combined ending, which takes place prior to ALBW, he was resurrected as a mindless beast. So it’s logical to assume that he is still mindless in ALBW, thus why Yuga was able to fuse with him. Not to mention, if Ganon had ANY control, he would not have allowed the fusion in the first place. Again, Ganon is too prideful for that. Yuga would be unworthy to Ganon.

          • hollander

            Why should Ganon be fully in control?
            Both are in control kinda just like how
            Yuganon contains both features from Y and G.
            Yuga had a plan and they are working towards it.
            Maybe Ganon 50% wanted Yuga to let him do the job and
            than take control after having all three pieces of triforce.
            You just said that Ganon is one of the strongest beings in existence.
            Yuga is like Ghirahim powerful but not almighty.

          • hollander

            Why should Ganon be fully in control?
            Both are in control kinda just like how
            Yuganon contains both features from Y and G.
            Yuga had a plan and they are working towards it.
            Maybe Ganon 50% wanted Yuga to let him do the job and
            than take control after having all three pieces of triforce.
            You just said that Ganon is one of the strongest beings in existence.
            Yuga is like Ghirahim powerful but not almighty.

      • hollander

        ALBW features Ganon,
        TWW is a remake and yet again Ganondorf,
        and Malladus is close to Ganon.

  • Sam Corbett

    A female villain haven’t had any of those for a while excluding hyrule warriors

  • Tim Gruver

    Heh, doesn’t mean anything for now, really. Phantom Hour Glass, A Link Between Worlds, Skyward Sword (mostly) and Spirit Tracks all had newbies of sorts.

  • The translation is bad. It says nothing about a new villain. It says “Link will encounter new mysteries and new tough enemies in a vast, endless world–the biggest Zelda world yet”.

    • hollander

      And a new nemesis.

      • Hopefully it’s a new villian, but it didn’t say that in the Japanese. Zelda Informer corrected it in a later post. I have a feeling it will be Ganon again, tho. He’s been in every home console Zelda game.

        • Lord Lemmy

          Skyward Sword didn’t have Ganon.

          • He’s the final boss. I don’t mean he’s in those games the whole time, but he’s there somewhere, and is usually at the end. In TAoL he just laughed when you died.

          • Lord Lemmy

            What? The final boss is Demise, not Ganon. Did you even play Skyward Sword?

          • Demise = Ganon. Same being with a different name. You can see them differently if you want. It’s up to you.

            Yup, I’ve played it. The only Zelda games I haven’t played are Minish Cap and Oracles of Ages.

          • Lord Lemmy

            No they are most definitely not the same being. Demise was THE Demon King. And if you’re referencing the curse at the end of Skyward Sword, his curse states “An incarnation of my hatred shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!” He is saying that his HATRED will continue on, with or without him. If Ganondorf and Demise are one and the same, Ganondorf would have started as a demon, not a Gerudo. But he’s not a demon, he is just affected with Demise’s hatred. Not directly Demise, but directly affected by Demise. The curse was also made to explain why Hyrule has other villains, such as Vaati, attacking them with similar goals (obtain some sort of wish granting item, and take over Hyrule). So by your logic, Vaati is Demise, too. And so is Bellum, and Maladus.

            TL;DR, if Ganon IS Demise, he wouldn’t NEED to go by a different name. Maybe as a disguise at first, with a reveal towards the end, followed with “I am really Demise, the Demon King!”, but that isn’t the case.

          • hollander

            I have a pretty damn large theory saying that
            Bellum and Majora and Vaatia and Dethl are on and the same
            and have nothing to do with Demise nor does Malladus.

          • Lord Lemmy

            Well, Malladus is the Demon King in his respected time, so it wouldn’t make sense for him to NOT have anything to do with Demise in some way. Majora, Bellum, and Dethl not only don’t belong to Hyrule, but three entirely different plains of existence… Termina, Realm of the Ocean King, and the dream world of Koholint, respectively. And then, yes, Vaati belongs to Hyrule. So not a single one of those four exist in the same realm/dimension/whatever you want to call it. And even considering Majora’s history, it makes it even less likely. They’re all COMPLETELY different types of villains, also. Bellum sucks life energy from it’s host (more like a parasitic beast, rather than an actual, plotting and scheming, villain), Majora is a playfully evil demon that wants nothing more than to cause chaos and death, Vaati wanted the “light force” which is basically Capcom’s version of the Triforce without actually being the Triforce for whatever reason, and Dethl (which is actually just a specific form taken by the Shadow Nightmare) is, well, a nightmare that feeds off dreams. All four are very unique, very different styles of enemy.

            With ALL of this in mind, having them be one and the same makes little to no sense.

          • hollander

            You may have wondered about it before,
            is Koholint really a dream?
            And is the World of the Ocean King (WOTOK) Termina but instead flooded?
            Some say that Koholint is Termina but that doesn’t make sense I think,
            but I have another solution.

            General Information

            Termina and Hyrule are two opposites, and Hyrule isn’t the only
            land in its universe, there is Holodrum, Labrynna and New Hyrule.
            What about the Universe of Termina? I doubt that Termina is the only
            ”country” in its universe.
            This brings me to the next question.
            Is Koholint the same as Termina/WOTOK? the answer is NO,
            I’m convinced that Termina is the WOTOK but the two are different from Koholint Island, although they all happen to exist in the same universe.
            Much like Hyrule, Labrynna, Holodrum and New Hyrule do.

            This doesn’t take away that they have much in common
            and that they can easily be linked in many ways.

            Connections between the three

            All three worlds are directly connected with the ocean.
            All three worlds have an Oceanic deity.
            All worlds are not in Hyrule’s universe.
            The worlds’ villains are very similar to each other.
            The course of time is different from the course of time in Hyrule.
            Link mysteriously ends up in the three worlds, and his return is mysterious as well.

            Because I think Termina is the same as the WOTOK, I’ll first show the connections between them.

            Termina and the World of the Ocean King.

            First I’ll take a look at the worlds and towns, races and places.
            In the Adult Timeline Hyrule was flooded by the Goddesses in order to stop Ganondorf, the whole of Hyrule flooded and all that was left behind were small islands, originating from Hyrule’s highest peaks.
            But what did this meant for Termina?
            Well there are connections between the two worlds and the water most likely flowed through these connections resulting in Termina being flooded as well.

            Mercay island is probably Clock Town. Both places feature Humans an Mercay Island features a small village being the last remains of the ever famous Clock Town.
            Also both Mercay and Clock Town are centered around the middle of the lands/map.
            After the world had flooded Termina’s races and cultures changed and seperated, almost having zero contact with other islands/races.
            Instead of the extinct trade the people had to live from what the island had to offer and of course fishery.

            Southern Swamps and Isle of Fire.
            When the world flooded almost all of the low-lying southern swamps drowned, except for the high-lying sleeping volcano in which Woodfall Temple is located.
            Woodfall Temple is located within the Volcano just like the Temple of Fire in PH, the two might be the same.

            Great bay and Molida.
            Great Bay has some higher located parts and those parts eventually became Molida Island. I red another theory about the Molidians being descendants of the Gerudo Pirates and the Lonely fisherman,
            this is not unlikely because the Gerudo Pirates need a ”male” to reproduce. And Zora reproducing with Gerudo? That’s nonsense!
            So the last and most logical answer is the local lonely fisherman.
            The descendants of the Gerudo Pirates stopped being pirates and they inhabited Molida Island and they became fishing people.
            Another explanation is that the Blin Pirates in PH had a great sea battle with the Gerudo Pirates in which the Gerudo lost, and thus they became a Fishing folk.
            The skin colors also match between the Gerudo Pirates and the Moldians.

            Jolene, a Gerudo Pirate?
            PH also features Jolene a female pirate roaming the seas in search of revenge on Linebeck, who betrayed her.
            She is a pirate.
            Her skin color matches that of the Gerudo pirates.
            She really looks like a Gerudo Pirate in general, clothing etc.
            She is a good fighter and has a Gerudo Pirate like sword.

            She was probably very proud of being a Gerudo Pirate and refused to become part of the fishing folk, or she survived the Ocean Battle with the ocean blins and she didn’t retreat on Molida Island.
            Instead she stayed a Gerudo Pirate.

            The Zora.
            I don’t know where the Zora went.
            they may swim the oceans in PH but not showing up, maybe they lost the ability to breath above water because the Great Bay coast is gone.
            Plus Zora’s Hall was already underwater in MM, they probably reside there, safe from outside coming changes.

            Zauz’ island plus Bannan Island and the Snowhead Mountains.
            These northern islands match with Snowhead’s location.
            Zauz who is a blacksmith could be a descendant of Gabora or Zubora
            (the Blacksmiths of Termina).
            Bannan island was actually abandoned and was later colonized by the
            old wayfarer (the one who left Molida and his wife and son.) When he found Molida Island he decided to stay there.
            Joanna (Jolene’s sister) who pretends to be a mermaid I think has no connections with the Zora, she isn’t Zora like and literally has a ”fake” fishtail. Zora’s have feet and legs.

            The lost Gorons.
            The Gorons who originate from Snowhead aka Bannan Island clearly left Bannan island for reasons unknown.
            1# The Climate turned warm and the island didn’t offer that much for the gorons to survive.
            The climate change can either be caused by a warm ocean stream and the fact that there is no ”Eternal” Snowhead winter in the Adult Timeline helps a lot as well to explain the climate change.
            The Gorons left Bannan and they searched for a suitable island, namely Goron Island.
            This island doesn’t feature that tropical climate and it’s a bigger and rocky island.
            The Gorons also mined here and there are many rocks = Goron food.

            The Isle of Frost.
            This island is probably the most mysterious of all, its extremely cold climate is pretty weird and it’s on Ikana’s Location and Ikana is not a
            cold area.
            Gleeok may have influenced the cold climate as well as a cold ocean stream. But still it remains ”unexplainable”.

            The lost Anouki.
            The Anouki may originate from another faraway land or universe
            Because there is no Snow race in termina similar to the Anouki.
            It is known that the Anouki are capable of traveling to other worlds or universes, because the Anouki chief in Spirit Tracks claims that they are descendants of the Anouki who lived on the Isle of Frost, but for some reason they were told that they couldn’t stay forever on that island and thus the moved to New Hyrule.
            (The Yook probably threatened their village again forcing them to leave the isle of Frost.)
            And New Hyrule is NOT in the same universe as the WOTOK, so how did these Anouki do that?

            Ikana Kingdom and the Cobble Kingdom.
            These areas have much in common with each other.
            The Great Ikana Kingdom was washed away and the Cobble Kingdom fell into ruins and became a place of Death and abandonment.
            The Cobble King, Mutoh has four kinghts serving him:
            Max, Doylan, brant and Bremeur. Each knight resides in a pyrimd,
            and the Ikanians also built great buildings namely Ikana Castle
            and Stone Tower Temple.

            Both Ikana and Cobble are places of death and abandonment.
            Both places are full with stalfos and spirits.
            They have a similar culture and architecture.
            The Connections between Ikana and Cobble are simply great and it all makes sense.

            The Garo may either be dead or they just left.
            The Islands of Death and Ruins are full with Stalfos the Stalfos may be Dead Ikanians aka Cobblians or Garo.

            Oke, so up to now I have explained the agreements between the races, places and cultures of Termina and the WOTOK.
            Time for the Villainsssss.

            Majora, (Dethl) and Bellum.
            Both Bellum and Majora behave crazy and bestial.
            They generally don’t speak and they are both possessors.
            (Majora possesses SK and bellum possesses Linebeck.)
            Their aims are also pretty similar.
            Majora is trying to crush Termina by pulling a moon towards it,
            by doing this he also has his revenge on the Four Giants.
            Bellum sucks life energy out of living beings and he threatened the Ocean king by sucking out his life enery by doing this he has his revenge on the Ocean King as well as sucking out his life energy.
            Bellum and Majora don’t desire the Triforce nor domination.
            ( I red a theory of Michelle, a ZU theorist and friend and she wrote a theory in which she explained that the Phantom Sword was made before and that Bellum was sealed earlier, by Zauz and/or the Ocean king who helped him, so Bellum has his revenge when sucking the OK’s life energy.)
            About Dethl, He doesn’t speak in general too, and is kinda quiet.
            He’s also bestial and he caused the Windfish to sleep forever,
            kinda what Bellum did with Ocean King.
            He does desire to dominate Koholint unlike Bellum and Majora.
            But this can be explained that he wants to hurt the Windfish by corrupting his Island, REVENGE!
            Bellum and Dethl are look a likes, they have a big eye in the middle and both have tentacles and behave bestial.

            We never see Majora’s true form in MM and according to Michelle’s theory
            Bellum escaped from his seal: The Majora’s Mask.
            So actually Bellum is the real form of majora according to this.
            Have you ever noticed the similarities between the eyes of Majora and Bellum? Bellum’s tentacle eyes or exactly the same as the eyes of Majora’s Mask. the colors and shape it all matches!
            And Dethl too has e huge eye in the middle…. EYES EYES EYES!

            The Happy mask Salesman and the Man of Smiles.
            After OoT and before TWW the HMSM must have traveled to Termina aka the WOTOK while carrying Majora’s Mask with him.
            In the WOTOK he probably lost it, or someone stole it just like SK did.
            The Man of Smiles can be found on Mercay Island, and his smile…
            He MUST be related to the HMSM.
            and Mercay island was Clock Town in the past, fitting place for the HMSM aka the Man of Smiles to reside.

            Oke I have explained the similarities between Termina and the WOTOK.

            Now it is time for Koholint.
            I don’t believe that Koholint is a dream of the Windfish, here is why.

            Link’s ship gets lost into a storm and he suffers from shipwreck.
            Link’s falls unconscious and he is later found on Toronbo Shores by a girl named Marin.
            This is very similar to PH’s story where Link falls in the water and is later found on Mercay Island by Navi.
            Dethl, (the true and last form of the Nighmares) caused the Windfish to fall into an Eternal sleep and he can only be awakened by gathering the Seven Instruments and playing the Song of Awakening inside the Egg.
            Bellum caused the Ocean King to hide and Bellum stole Oshus’ original body, kinda similar to what Dethl did to the Windfish.

            Isn’t it strange that Link just gets sucked on Koholint/Mercay island?
            Even if it would be a dream, than how does he get sucked from the ocean into the Windfish’s dream? Link in PH also fell into the ocean and later washed on Mercay Island but we do know that the adventures in PH were NOT a dream.
            Bellum and Dethl must have sucked Link into the adventure….

            After the final battle in PH The Ocean King says that it is time for Link to return to his original world, and Link eventually returns.
            This indicates that the Ocean King is able to transport himself and also others to other worlds.
            When Link had defeaten the Nightmares he Awakened the Windfish right after and the Windfish who is a whale deity as well, made Link return
            to his original world, and thus Koholint vanished making it all seem like a dream.

            What I mentioned before is that the Course of time in
            Termina, the WOTOK and Koholint is different from Hyrule’s.
            When Link and Tetra return from the WOTOK the pirates claim that they’ve just been gone for about 5 minutes, Tetra gets mad and claims that Link went through a great adventure in which he saved Tetra.
            So, one day passing by in the WOTOK is about 1 minute passing by
            in Hyrule.
            And it clearly wasn’t a dream after all because at the end of PH Link still has the Phantom Hourglass itself.

            In Link’s Awakening the Windfish probably made Link return,
            and when Link awakes he finds himself on the remains of his ship.
            Pretty weird heh?
            If the journey was real like in PH than days would have passed by and the remains wouldn’t be on the exact same spot after days.
            But they would be on the exact same spot if days on Koholint would be minutes in Hyrule, Ting Ting Ting!
            I hope I now convinced you that the two exist in the same universe.

            So Termina is the WOTOK and Koholint is a big Island near the WOTOK aka Termina.

            In Link’s Awakening we have 7 Instruments, I’ll name four of them.
            namely: Violin, Piano(like thing), Drum and a harp.

            The Indigo-go’s consists of 5 members of which four play an instrument.
            The instruments that are played are:
            Piano, Harp-like guitar, a guitar or violin thing and drums.
            Koholint in the Adult Timeline must still contain the seven instruments
            and the ancestors of the Indigo-go’s became famous because one of their songs…. you know which one?
            The ballad of the Windfish!
            Their ancestors may have traveled across the Ocean and they
            found Koholint, and there they somehow managed to get four of the instruments, and they of course changed the instruments and in MM they look as if the Ocean affected it. but hey It’s another timeline what else do you expect?

            The last part revolves around the Three Oceanic Deities.
            The Turtle, the Ocean King and the Windfish.

            I believe that Ocean King is the same as the Windfish.
            Both are whale deities with strange powers.
            Both appear in another Universe.
            Both are able to transport themselves or others to other universes.
            The appear in similar ways in LA and PH.
            They are both threatened by two villains that may be the same too.

            The Turtle in MM can be discussed.
            Maybe the Whale Deity is able to change into another beast or form.
            The Ocean King showed us already that he can.
            His ”whale” body was stolen and he just became the man Oshus.
            Why wouldn’t he be able to become a giant deity turtle?

            I’m not posting Michelle’s (ZU friend and theorist) theory
            because she’s still working on it.

            Vaati is from another world and Hyrule historia states that he was an evil
            God so he’s not a picori (minish) from origin.
            Vaati possesses people like the minish.
            He turns people into stone much like Bellum did with tetra
            and is addicted to life force.,

            Because vaati the wizard is not his real form
            Vaati’s wrath could be it.

            This about Vaati goes way further and deeper but I’ll keep it by this.
            Please don’t bash to much about Vaati.

            I released this theory on several zelda sites
            My first site was ZU, don’t copy or whatever.
            And it’s safed on ZU so I’m and will be the first one forever.
            The theory is still being expanded.

            I don’t think you’ll be copying this but there always a chance
            and readers might do it as well.
            It’s not offending.

          • Lord Lemmy

            Holy crap. I think I’m going to skim over this and address some of the problems with it, and then some of the “possible, but unlikely” parts.

            Problems:
            -Related to you saying DethI and Bellum sucking Link into those respective worlds. DethI was attempting to keep the Wind Fish asleep, so he can stay alive, because he’s literally a nightmare. There’d be absolutely NO reason he’d want to pull any outsiders into that world. Instead, it had to have been the work of the Wind Fish. Knowing he needed help, he knew there was a hero sailing his area of the seas. Being that he is obviously a deity of dreams, he can pull unconscious people into his dream.
            Bellum, on the other hand, could have, but the question isn’t if he could, but “why”. He is merely a parasite wishing to suck the life force from people, hiding on a ghost ship said to have a secret treasure. This myth was most likely created by the Cubus Sisters, who delight in the death of others. So feeding Bellum was probably a game to them. And being that the ship can obviously travel between worlds, it was in the Great Sea just searching for more people for Bellum to feed off of. Tetra, Link, and the Pirates were a perfect match, so once Link and Tetra boarded, it traveled back to the RotOK

            -Hyrule Historia does NOT say Vaati is an evil God. Reading through my copy on all parts about Vaati, they only ever refer to him as a Wind Mage. And his origin is stated as “Originally the Minish Sage Ezlo’s apprentice, Vaati courted evil within the hearts of humans and eventually fulfilled his wish of becoming an evil sorcerer.”, therefore he’s not even from a different world. He’s from Hyrule. Oh, and he’s not addicted to “life force” he’s looking for the Light Force, which is something that is basically the Triforce in qualities (Golden triangular object that holds ultimate power and grants the wishes of whomever obtains it)

            -If Termina and Realm of the Ocean King are one and the same, that would HAVE to mean that Cobble Kingdom and Ikana are one and the same. But the problem is that they have different histories with different aesthetics. And even different names. The spirits would have still known it as Ikana after the flood, but it’s not. They’re only similar because they both follow the “haunted ancient temple” trope. Nothing more nothing less.

            -A constant smile and happy disposition is NOTHING to go off of to connect characters. Smiling does NOT mean Man of Smiles “has” to be related to Happy Mask Salesman. That’s simply taking something that has NOTHING to do with genetics in the real world, and making it purely genetics. That’s like saying Rupin HAS to be related to HMS for the same reasons. It’s absolutely absurd to come to that conclusion.

            -The Turtle from Great Bay is an ancient and wise creature, yes, but nowhere is it stated he is a deity. BUT, his abilities DO show Deity like powers. Then again he talks about the gods permitting him to sleep again. Considering no one knew the island was really a giant turtle, that would mean years upon years, perhaps hundreds, since the Turtle had been sleeping, disguised as an island. The events of MM, starting with the Mask getting stolen from HMS, is too short of a time span for a Whale Deity to get turned into a Turtle Deity who disguises itself as an island with NO ONE NOTICING THIS.

            -Using the MM map and PH map to connect certain places is kind of a pointless argument to make. Look at any two maps of Hyrule from different games. Everything is jumbled and in different spots. The whole Lorule and Termina being the same place has a MUCH higher probability than this “theory” (which is more of a conjecture than a true theory, really) Not to mention: Why did Termina get flooded? What is the explanation? There’s got to be a reasoning. Being it’s an alternate dimension, it couldn’t have been flooded by Hyrule’s flooding. But being there is no in-game reasoning, it would all be conjecture. Again.

            -Many “theories” you talked about, including ones you referenced as being made by a friend of yours, are conjectures and hypotheses. A conjecture is a proposition of something that may or may not be possible. A hypothesis is a conjecture that CAN be tested, and a theory is something that HAS been tested, and has solidly backed evidence behind it. May not be 100% true, but still HIGHLY possible. Bellum being Majora’s true form is a conjecture, because there’s no way to test the validity of such a claim, other than making minor connections between their… eyes? Yeah, no, their behavior patterns totally outshines very minimalistically similar design of an EYE. Plus, do you know HOW many Zelda monsters have just a single eye? Connecting bosses because of the fact they have a single eye is a truly pointless argument.

            Possible but Unlikely:
            -The Ocean King and the Wind Fish (as well as Levias from SS) could possibly be the same being. A couple things to note is that all 3 are whales, and all 3 are white. BUT (yes, but) Oshus/The Ocean King does not display the ability to fly, where as both Levias and the Wind Fish do. Not to mention the Wind Fish, who’s name is a connection to the wind, and that Levias literally is a deity of the wind supports this as a theory. BUT both the Wind Fish and The Ocean King seem to live in the middle of the ocean. So there’s that. And then considering both The Ocean King and The Wind Fish both display the ability to grant wishes, that makes another possible connection… All in all, it’s a hard choice, but I’d say it’s unlikely they’re the same being. Perhaps related in some way, though. Zelda is no stranger to having multiple gods that look and behave in similar fashion.

            -The Indigo-gos and their connection to the Ballad of the Wind Fish. Sure, the song they play isn’t the same in sound or melody to the one from LA, but they have the same name, for some reason. Why is this? Well, we can chalk it up to purely being a reference to LA that, canonically, is just a coincidence to have the same name as another song in the Zelda universe. OR, Termina and everything occurring in it, is merely a dream, created, again, by the Wind Fish. Many people think Link is dead or dying in MM, anyways, and that the events and Termina are all just a hallucination of the mind of a dying child. I believe it’s possible that it’s all just a dream, but not because Link is dying, but Link (whom we know in TP is regretful of not being remembered as a hero, thus becoming the Hero’s Shade) wanting to be a hero. Maybe at this point, Link is even already an adult. Adults can dream of their childhood, too, you know. So being remembered as a hero is something he wanted to do, but never got the chance. So the Wind Fish gave him that chance by giving him a dream world to save. Which explains why everyone in Termina is based on someone in Hyrule, and that the laws of time travel in this world seem to make little sense. It would also explain the 5 stages of grief, which in this case, is for the fact that he was never remembered as a hero. But that’s merely a hypothesis. But I find THIS more likely than Termina and the Realm of the Ocean King being the same place.

            If I missed anything, I apologize, but it took quite a while to read over enough of your response to make a decent counter response. It’s certainly a long and difficult read for a simple internet comment. XP

          • hollander

            oly crap. I think I’m going to skim over this and address some of the problems with it, and then some of the “possible, but unlikely” parts.

            Problems:
            -Related to you saying DethI and Bellum sucking Link into those respective worlds. DethI was attempting to keep the Wind Fish asleep, so he can stay alive, because he’s literally a nightmare. There’d be absolutely NO reason he’d want to pull any outsiders into that world. Instead, it had to have been the work of the Wind Fish. Knowing he needed help, he knew there was a hero sailing his area of the seas. Being that he is obviously a deity of dreams, he can pull unconscious people into his dream.
            Bellum, on the other hand, could have, but the question isn’t if he could, but “why”. He is merely a parasite wishing to suck the life force from people, hiding on a ghost ship said to have a secret treasure. This myth was most likely created by the Cubus Sisters, who delight in the death of others. So feeding Bellum was probably a game to them. And being that the ship can obviously travel between worlds, it was in the Great Sea just searching for more people for Bellum to feed off of. Tetra, Link, and the Pirates were a perfect match, so once Link and Tetra boarded, it traveled back to the RotOK

            Why are they all supposed to be exactly like each other?
            Different timelines can’t match perfect so do the beings in that timeline.
            Theorisits need to be flexible.
            The Ghost Ship was created by Bellum, and so are the bosses the bosses are made out of the sand of hours (crystalized life force)
            I’m not repeating the agreements because I’ve showed them already.
            Both Links in LA and PH disappear in a comparable way.
            The windfish is attacked by Dethl The Ocean King (another whale deity as well.) both are put in a kinda slumber.
            Bellum went after Tetra’s strong life force in TMC it’s said that all Zelda’s contain a big life force, and bellum sucks it and when the Ship noticed them it lured them into the WOTOK.

            -Hyrule Hiflstoria does NOT say Vaati is an evil God. Reading through my copy on all parts about Vaati, they only ever refer to him as a Wind Mage. And his origin is stated as “Originally the Minish Sage Ezlo’s apprentice, Vaati courted evil within the hearts of humans and eventually fulfilled his wish of becoming an evil sorcerer.”, therefore he’s not even from a different world. He’s from Hyrule. Oh, and he’s not addicted to “life force” he’s looking for the Light Force, which is something that is basically the Triforce in qualities (Golden triangular object that holds ultimate power and grants the wishes of whomever obtains it)

            The Timeline says the Evil God Vaati is born, and he’s an ”evil god”
            with sorcerer-like powers.
            Light Force is Life force it was mistranslated from japanese.
            Evil deities are famous for possesing people.
            Vaati easily could have possessed a minish and thus becoming Ezlo’s apprentice.
            The Minish world is kinda another world.
            The door only opens every thousand years the rest of the time it’s
            seperated apart from Hyrule.
            Vaati may have learned about the triforce later
            but in TMC he is clearly sucking-using life force
            as all people in the castle are turned to stone.
            Just like Tetra in PH.
            and if Vaati indeed possessed a minish than what is his real form like?
            Vaati’s wrath is similar to bellum.
            And no they don’t exactly have to be the same ganondorf differs from his other forms as well.

            -If Termina and Realm of the Ocean King are one and the same, that would HAVE to mean that Cobble Kingdom and Ikana are one and the same. But the problem is that they have different histories with different aesthetics. And even different names. The spirits would have still known it as Ikana after the flood, but it’s not. They’re only similar because they both follow the “haunted ancient temple” trope. Nothing more nothing less.

            A century has passed since OoT and PH.

            Things names anything could change.
            Look at the names in OoT and TP.
            Architecture is similar etc.

            -A constant smile and happy disposition is NOTHING to go off of to connect characters. Smiling does NOT mean Man of Smiles “has” to be related to Happy Mask Salesman. That’s simply taking something that has NOTHING to do with genetics in the real world, and making it purely genetics. That’s like saying Rupin HAS to be related to HMS for the same reasons. It’s absolutely absurd to come to that conclusion.

            This is not even an important part in my theory
            slicing down this doesn’t even make my theory less believeable.
            And the man of smiles is smiling eternally. RAARaaaa.

            -The Turtle from Great Bay is an ancient and wise creature, yes, but nowhere is it stated he is a deity. BUT, his abilities DO show Deity like powers. Then again he talks about the gods permitting him to sleep again. Considering no one knew the island was really a giant turtle, that would mean years upon years, perhaps hundreds, since the Turtle had been sleeping, disguised as an island. The events of MM, starting with the Mask getting stolen from HMS, is too short of a time span for a Whale Deity to get turned into a Turtle Deity who disguises itself as an island with NO ONE NOTICING THIS.

            ?????
            Who knows how long he’s been there.
            Could you please explain this clearer?

            -Using the MM map and PH map to connect certain places is kind of a pointless argument to make. Look at any two maps of Hyrule from different games. Everything is jumbled and in different spots. The whole Lorule and Termina being the same place has a MUCH higher probability than this “theory” (which is more of a conjecture than a true theory, really) Not to mention: Why did Termina get flooded? What is the explanation? There’s got to be a reasoning. Being it’s an alternate dimension, it couldn’t have been flooded by Hyrule’s flooding. But being there is no in-game reasoning, it would all be conjecture. Again.

            You just said the answer.
            There are connections between Termina and Hyrule, WTF?
            Everyone knows that.
            The triforce appears and the portal in the lost woods?

            -Many “theories” you talked about, including ones you referenced as being made by a friend of yours, are conjectures and hypotheses. A conjecture is a proposition of something that may or may not be possible. A hypothesis is a conjecture that CAN be tested, and a theory is something that HAS been tested, and has solidly backed evidence behind it. May not be 100% true, but still HIGHLY possible. Bellum being Majora’s true form is a conjecture, because there’s no way to test the validity of such a claim, other than making minor connections between their… eyes? Yeah, no, their behavior patterns totally outshines very minimalistically similar design of an EYE. Plus, do you know HOW many Zelda monsters have just a single eye? Connecting bosses because of the fact they have a single eye is a truly pointless argument.

            Boeie we just all call it theories and as I’ve mentioned before I’m still working on it, also this was my second ZU theory……… rhjsbrfcgsg
            There aren’t many connections between Majora and Bellum but when connecting the worlds it all gets easier.
            The eyes they’re just similar. and many Bosses’ eyes are not the M eye.
            Also they’re both powerful demon beings.

            Possible but Unlikely:
            -The Ocean King and the Wind Fish (as well as Levias from SS) could possibly be the same being. A couple things to note is that all 3 are whales, and all 3 are white. BUT (yes, but) Oshus/The Ocean King does not display the ability to fly, where as both Levias and the Wind Fish do. Not to mention the Wind Fish, who’s name is a connection to the wind, and that Levias literally is a deity of the wind supports this as a theory. BUT both the Wind Fish and The Ocean King seem to live in the middle of the ocean. So there’s that. And then considering both The Ocean King and The Wind Fish both display the ability to grant wishes, that makes another possible connection… All in all, it’s a hard choice, but I’d say it’s unlikely they’re the same being. Perhaps related in some way, though. Zelda is no stranger to having multiple gods that look and behave in similar fashion.

            Tja I understand you. what have I to say….
            Also both The windfish and The OK can transport themselves between parallel worlds.
            The OK is probably affected by Bellum who almost killed him.
            Oshus is his survival flee form.

            -The Indigo-gos and their connection to the Ballad of the Wind Fish. Sure, the song they play isn’t the same in sound or melody to the one from LA, but they have the same name, for some reason. Why is this? Well, we can chalk it up to purely being a reference to LA that, canonically, is just a coincidence to have the same name as another song in the Zelda universe. OR, Termina and everything occurring in it, is merely a dream, created, again, by the Wind Fish. Many people think Link is dead or dying in MM, anyways, and that the events and Termina are all just a hallucination of the mind of a dying child. I believe it’s possible that it’s all just a dream, but not because Link is dying, but Link (whom we know in TP is regretful of not being remembered as a hero, thus becoming the Hero’s Shade) wanting to be a hero. Maybe at this point, Link is even already an adult. Adults can dream of their childhood, too, you know. So being remembered as a hero is something he wanted to do, but never got the chance. So the Wind Fish gave him that chance by giving him a dream world to save. Which explains why everyone in Termina is based on someone in Hyrule, and that the laws of time travel in this world seem to make little sense. It would also explain the 5 stages of grief, which in this case, is for the fact that he was never remembered as a hero. But that’s merely a hypothesis. But I find THIS more likely than Termina and the Realm of the Ocean King being the same place.

            Yeah I’ve seen that theory on youtube about the model of Grief etc.
            It’s pretty unlikely.
            MM is directly after OoT.
            Because of his time travels in OoT he’s not remembered as a hero in OoT.
            Why would he be adult in MM.
            Also I read the Viewer’s answers and that theory and they seem to bash and break the whole theory.
            The Model of Grief is a good point but I doubt Nintendo would go that far.
            However it’s possible….
            Gotta think about it….

            If I missed anything, I apologize, but it took quite a while to read over enough of your response to make a decent counter response. It’s certainly a long and difficult read for a simple internet comment. XP

            Ghaha indeed discussing on this scale on disqus is annoying.
            Join Zelda Universe it’s a cool site and well DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • hollander

            oly crap. I think I’m going to skim over this and address some of the problems with it, and then some of the “possible, but unlikely” parts.

            Problems:
            -Related to you saying DethI and Bellum sucking Link into those respective worlds. DethI was attempting to keep the Wind Fish asleep, so he can stay alive, because he’s literally a nightmare. There’d be absolutely NO reason he’d want to pull any outsiders into that world. Instead, it had to have been the work of the Wind Fish. Knowing he needed help, he knew there was a hero sailing his area of the seas. Being that he is obviously a deity of dreams, he can pull unconscious people into his dream.
            Bellum, on the other hand, could have, but the question isn’t if he could, but “why”. He is merely a parasite wishing to suck the life force from people, hiding on a ghost ship said to have a secret treasure. This myth was most likely created by the Cubus Sisters, who delight in the death of others. So feeding Bellum was probably a game to them. And being that the ship can obviously travel between worlds, it was in the Great Sea just searching for more people for Bellum to feed off of. Tetra, Link, and the Pirates were a perfect match, so once Link and Tetra boarded, it traveled back to the RotOK

            Why are they all supposed to be exactly like each other?
            Different timelines can’t match perfect so do the beings in that timeline.
            Theorisits need to be flexible.
            The Ghost Ship was created by Bellum, and so are the bosses the bosses are made out of the sand of hours (crystalized life force)
            I’m not repeating the agreements because I’ve showed them already.
            Both Links in LA and PH disappear in a comparable way.
            The windfish is attacked by Dethl The Ocean King (another whale deity as well.) both are put in a kinda slumber.
            Bellum went after Tetra’s strong life force in TMC it’s said that all Zelda’s contain a big life force, and bellum sucks it and when the Ship noticed them it lured them into the WOTOK.

            -Hyrule Hiflstoria does NOT say Vaati is an evil God. Reading through my copy on all parts about Vaati, they only ever refer to him as a Wind Mage. And his origin is stated as “Originally the Minish Sage Ezlo’s apprentice, Vaati courted evil within the hearts of humans and eventually fulfilled his wish of becoming an evil sorcerer.”, therefore he’s not even from a different world. He’s from Hyrule. Oh, and he’s not addicted to “life force” he’s looking for the Light Force, which is something that is basically the Triforce in qualities (Golden triangular object that holds ultimate power and grants the wishes of whomever obtains it)

            The Timeline says the Evil God Vaati is born, and he’s an ”evil god”
            with sorcerer-like powers.
            Light Force is Life force it was mistranslated from japanese.
            Evil deities are famous for possesing people.
            Vaati easily could have possessed a minish and thus becoming Ezlo’s apprentice.
            The Minish world is kinda another world.
            The door only opens every thousand years the rest of the time it’s
            seperated apart from Hyrule.
            Vaati may have learned about the triforce later
            but in TMC he is clearly sucking-using life force
            as all people in the castle are turned to stone.
            Just like Tetra in PH.
            and if Vaati indeed possessed a minish than what is his real form like?
            Vaati’s wrath is similar to bellum.
            And no they don’t exactly have to be the same ganondorf differs from his other forms as well.

            -If Termina and Realm of the Ocean King are one and the same, that would HAVE to mean that Cobble Kingdom and Ikana are one and the same. But the problem is that they have different histories with different aesthetics. And even different names. The spirits would have still known it as Ikana after the flood, but it’s not. They’re only similar because they both follow the “haunted ancient temple” trope. Nothing more nothing less.

            A century has passed since OoT and PH.

            Things names anything could change.
            Look at the names in OoT and TP.
            Architecture is similar etc.

            -A constant smile and happy disposition is NOTHING to go off of to connect characters. Smiling does NOT mean Man of Smiles “has” to be related to Happy Mask Salesman. That’s simply taking something that has NOTHING to do with genetics in the real world, and making it purely genetics. That’s like saying Rupin HAS to be related to HMS for the same reasons. It’s absolutely absurd to come to that conclusion.

            This is not even an important part in my theory
            slicing down this doesn’t even make my theory less believeable.
            And the man of smiles is smiling eternally. RAARaaaa.

            -The Turtle from Great Bay is an ancient and wise creature, yes, but nowhere is it stated he is a deity. BUT, his abilities DO show Deity like powers. Then again he talks about the gods permitting him to sleep again. Considering no one knew the island was really a giant turtle, that would mean years upon years, perhaps hundreds, since the Turtle had been sleeping, disguised as an island. The events of MM, starting with the Mask getting stolen from HMS, is too short of a time span for a Whale Deity to get turned into a Turtle Deity who disguises itself as an island with NO ONE NOTICING THIS.

            ?????
            Who knows how long he’s been there.
            Could you please explain this clearer?

            -Using the MM map and PH map to connect certain places is kind of a pointless argument to make. Look at any two maps of Hyrule from different games. Everything is jumbled and in different spots. The whole Lorule and Termina being the same place has a MUCH higher probability than this “theory” (which is more of a conjecture than a true theory, really) Not to mention: Why did Termina get flooded? What is the explanation? There’s got to be a reasoning. Being it’s an alternate dimension, it couldn’t have been flooded by Hyrule’s flooding. But being there is no in-game reasoning, it would all be conjecture. Again.

            You just said the answer.
            There are connections between Termina and Hyrule, WTF?
            Everyone knows that.
            The triforce appears and the portal in the lost woods?

            -Many “theories” you talked about, including ones you referenced as being made by a friend of yours, are conjectures and hypotheses. A conjecture is a proposition of something that may or may not be possible. A hypothesis is a conjecture that CAN be tested, and a theory is something that HAS been tested, and has solidly backed evidence behind it. May not be 100% true, but still HIGHLY possible. Bellum being Majora’s true form is a conjecture, because there’s no way to test the validity of such a claim, other than making minor connections between their… eyes? Yeah, no, their behavior patterns totally outshines very minimalistically similar design of an EYE. Plus, do you know HOW many Zelda monsters have just a single eye? Connecting bosses because of the fact they have a single eye is a truly pointless argument.

            Boeie we just all call it theories and as I’ve mentioned before I’m still working on it, also this was my second ZU theory……… rhjsbrfcgsg
            There aren’t many connections between Majora and Bellum but when connecting the worlds it all gets easier.
            The eyes they’re just similar. and many Bosses’ eyes are not the M eye.
            Also they’re both powerful demon beings.

            Possible but Unlikely:
            -The Ocean King and the Wind Fish (as well as Levias from SS) could possibly be the same being. A couple things to note is that all 3 are whales, and all 3 are white. BUT (yes, but) Oshus/The Ocean King does not display the ability to fly, where as both Levias and the Wind Fish do. Not to mention the Wind Fish, who’s name is a connection to the wind, and that Levias literally is a deity of the wind supports this as a theory. BUT both the Wind Fish and The Ocean King seem to live in the middle of the ocean. So there’s that. And then considering both The Ocean King and The Wind Fish both display the ability to grant wishes, that makes another possible connection… All in all, it’s a hard choice, but I’d say it’s unlikely they’re the same being. Perhaps related in some way, though. Zelda is no stranger to having multiple gods that look and behave in similar fashion.

            Tja I understand you. what have I to say….
            Also both The windfish and The OK can transport themselves between parallel worlds.
            The OK is probably affected by Bellum who almost killed him.
            Oshus is his survival flee form.

            -The Indigo-gos and their connection to the Ballad of the Wind Fish. Sure, the song they play isn’t the same in sound or melody to the one from LA, but they have the same name, for some reason. Why is this? Well, we can chalk it up to purely being a reference to LA that, canonically, is just a coincidence to have the same name as another song in the Zelda universe. OR, Termina and everything occurring in it, is merely a dream, created, again, by the Wind Fish. Many people think Link is dead or dying in MM, anyways, and that the events and Termina are all just a hallucination of the mind of a dying child. I believe it’s possible that it’s all just a dream, but not because Link is dying, but Link (whom we know in TP is regretful of not being remembered as a hero, thus becoming the Hero’s Shade) wanting to be a hero. Maybe at this point, Link is even already an adult. Adults can dream of their childhood, too, you know. So being remembered as a hero is something he wanted to do, but never got the chance. So the Wind Fish gave him that chance by giving him a dream world to save. Which explains why everyone in Termina is based on someone in Hyrule, and that the laws of time travel in this world seem to make little sense. It would also explain the 5 stages of grief, which in this case, is for the fact that he was never remembered as a hero. But that’s merely a hypothesis. But I find THIS more likely than Termina and the Realm of the Ocean King being the same place.

            Yeah I’ve seen that theory on youtube about the model of Grief etc.
            It’s pretty unlikely.
            MM is directly after OoT.
            Because of his time travels in OoT he’s not remembered as a hero in OoT.
            Why would he be adult in MM.
            Also I read the Viewer’s answers and that theory and they seem to bash and break the whole theory.
            The Model of Grief is a good point but I doubt Nintendo would go that far.
            However it’s possible….
            Gotta think about it….

            If I missed anything, I apologize, but it took quite a while to read over enough of your response to make a decent counter response. It’s certainly a long and difficult read for a simple internet comment. XP

            Ghaha indeed discussing on this scale on disqus is annoying.
            Join Zelda Universe it’s a cool site and well DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Ganon is a reincarnation of Demise in the same way Link and Zelda are reincarnations of themselves. If you wish to distinguish between the Links and consider them as different characters, that’s fine. It’s your Zelda world, you can think of it however you like. Mine sees the Links, Zeldas, and Ganons as the same person. They all come from the same spirits, look the same, possess similar powers, have the same motivations, and behave in the same manner in each game.

          • Lord Lemmy

            Wind Waker revealed Ganondorf’s motivations, which are quite different than Demise’s. Ganon’s stemmed from jealousy: being born to a desert where the harsh weather brought nothing but death, where as Hyrule was always peaceful, even in weather. Now, considering that Demise’s curse states that his HATRED will live on (he speaks as though his hatred is a separate part from him, and not talking about himself), the logical conclusion is that Demise’s hatred infected Ganondorf, causing his jealousy of a neighboring kingdom to turn to hatred. Yes, a direct result of Demise, but Ganondorf is not Demise reincarnated. The differences in motivation reveals that.

            Demise wanted the Triforce just so he can rule over everything with complete power, because he’s literally pure evil, THE Demon King. Ganondorf, according to his motivations revealed in WW, wanted it because he was jealous, and it would satisfy everything he thought he deserved from the harsh life he was raised in. Of course, his hatred twisted him, causing him to feel he deserved an untold amount of power, and to rule over Hyrule, because he felt that the lazy Hylians, so used to the conditions of safety, not working for anything, didn’t deserve it. He, and his people, who fought death whenever the winds blew in the desert, deserved it more.

            That’s why Ganondorf and Demise are not one and the same.

          • sounds the same to me. if you wanna distinguish them, that’s fine. your interpretations and logical conclusions are different than mine, tho I see where you’re coming from. it’s fiction so there’s no right or wrong interpretation. we all have different ways of seeing it and based on how we perceive the Zelda world we come to slightly different conclusions.

          • Lord Lemmy

            How does “doing it out of hateful jealousy” and “doing it because he’s evil and just plain wanted to” sound the same in any regards?

          • Jealousy is an evil feeling. At the center of any decision to act is a want, and in both cases he’s acting on a selfish, self fulfiling,sinister one in order to spread hate. Doing it out of hateful jealousy or to be evil seem the same. He wants to be evil because he hates.

          • Lord Lemmy

            For one, jealousy is not an evil feeling. It’s just a feeling. It’s seeing something someone else has, and either wanting something similar, the same, or specifically theirs. It’s the response to said jealousy that would make someone evil. Going to the store and obtaining the same object isn’t evil. Finding a land similar to Hyrule, but without anyone inhabiting it isn’t evil.

            Demise wasn’t jealous, he merely wanted to rule, because he thought, with his power, that he could and should rule everything.

            Ganondorf wasn’t evil for the sake of being evil, unlike Demise. He became evil because his jealousy and hatred WARPED HIM. This is something he admitted: that he was jealous of Hyrule’s winds. He had humanity behind his actions, where as Demise didn’t.

            Being evil for the sake of being evil isn’t remotely the same as becoming evil due to hateful jealousy. There’s a HUGE difference. Why is that so hard to understand?

          • That’s your interpretation of jealousy. Such envy and greed for someone else’s fortune is selfishness mixed with hate. A person with love in their heart wouldn’t feel that. They would be happy for others and the good that’s come into their life. Jealousy is an accurate marker of a corrupt and vile heart. The more jealousy the more evil. They’re one in the same, really.

            It’s your world, man. You define it how you like. If you wish to see jealousy as just a feeling, then that’s your choice. I don’t see it that way and put it in a class of evil feelings along with envy, greed, and a lust for power and domination. They’re the characteristics of a parasite, the essence of Ganon and Demise.

        • hollander

          I hope a new villain as well, but I can live with Majora as well.

  • hollander

    ARGGG I WANNA KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THE NEW VILLAIN
    NINTENDO PLEASE SEND ME AN EMAIL
    I AM SO EXCITED!

  • kyle

    Honestly i kinda miss Ganon/Ganondorf. as much as i LOVED skyward sword, i missed defeating a giant pig at the end of the game. and when he surprised us in TP as the man behind it all, the game was made all the better for it. thought technically Demise was Ganon, it was far from the same. we need him back from this game! or atleast “behind the scenes”

  • Dante Del Manto

    I will wait for you vaati

  • Jonathon Penn

    A new violin a some

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