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Stop Talking About 4K and Deal with What Actually Matters: Framerate

| September 8, 2016

Stop Talking About 4K and Deal with What Actually Matters: Framerate Articles  Xbox One PS4 Pro

The PS4 Pro is finally a real thing, no longer existing in the realm of leaks, speculation, and rumor. Xbox One’s Project Scorpio is on the brink of this, still straddling the line of being real and imaginary thanks to Microsoft’s hyperbolic trailer. With both of these consoles being pushed out the gate by the end of 2017, we now understand what Sony and Microsoft feel is most important: 4K resolution. Sure, most games won’t actually run at the lofty figure, instead opting for an upscale that delivers similar, but not quite as stellar results. But within this discussion it seems that the more important element to gaming has been left by the wayside, at least in regards to how the big companies are talking.

Framerate is arguably a much more important piece of a game’s visual presentation than its resolution, at least once you get above the standard 1080p spot. PC gamers feel that anything below 60 frames per second is choppy and lacking in the precision of control that they require. As someone who’s been shifting more of my gaming to PC, I have to agree, though not to the point of calling anything at 30 fps “unplayable”. 60 fps is simply more fluid, and makes the game’s visuals pop in a way that is indescribable without some sort of visual aid.

The problem is that most games on PS4 and Xbox One are still well below this watermark, usually hitting 30 fps and sticking with it. So the prospect of more powerful consoles is a strong one, offering gamers the chance to experience these great games in a new and better way. Unfortunately it seems that Sony and Microsoft, along with most developers, are doing it all wrong.

4K is the new buzzword of the day, with HDR becoming just as popular thanks to the PS4 Pro announcement. Sure, both of these things are good and will make for a better gaming experience, but at the moment 4K gaming is a pipe dream on consoles. Aside from less graphically intense games, there is no way to deliver true native 4K gaming on the PS4 Pro, and this will probably be true on Project Scorpio as well. I say this because without the latest and greatest in PC gaming tech, even PC games have trouble hitting the lofty goal of 4K, so a $400 console isn’t gonna come close.

When they say PS4 Pro will play games at 4K what they are talking about is the upscaling I mentioned earlier. Either way, whether they’re putting that power toward true 4K gaming or upscaling the image, it is all missing the big picture. Currently PS4 and Xbox One games almost universally run at below 60 fps, which is a true shame. This extra power needs to be used here, where it can actually make a big difference for most gamers.

4K TVs are becoming cheaper and more common, but they are still a bit of a rarity. Most homes still have 1080p TVs and they work just fine for them, and they all can run at 60 fps. Upgrading your TV is not something you do every year, or even every few years, so most people will be playing their games at 1080p for some time. Currently the consoles don’t even take full advantage of that, with either lower resolution or lower framerates. If you want to make the most difference to the most people in the most effective way, you will make your game run at 1080p and 60fps before even thinking about 4K.

This could happen, the way games use the power of these new consoles is up to the developer. However, all the talk is about 4K and it’s setting expectations that likely won’t be met by most games. If they focused on framerate instead they could really show a difference to the gamer, and one that can be seen on an internet stream, viewed on a standard PC monitor, unlike what we were seeing from Sony yesterday.

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  • Great article Kyle, you nailed it. Its great Microsoft and Sony are releasing new consoles, but focusing on 4K is the wrong way to go. Focus on giving us a significant improvement we can see on our 1080p displays, because I know for me at least buying a 4k TV is at least 4-6 years off.

    • Sexy Mcgee

      The funniest part of it all is the claim that multiplayer frame rates will be locked to prevent a disadvantage. Well, if HDR is such a big improvement in color fidelity doesn’t that give you an advantage. Anyone who’s upgraded from a monitor or TV that doesn’t do colors or contrast well to one that has excellent colors and contrast knows how much easier it makes to pick out enemies. It’s as big of an advantage as having more frames than your opponent. So shouldn’t they disable HDR in MP if they want to be consistent as far as online advantage goes?

      • I honestly don’t know how much of difference HDR really makes, but I doubt its so much that it gives the player a significant advantage.

        • João Francisco

          HDR in theory, can give you a better perspective of the surroundings and even give you a better perception of movement, because it makes you see more colors than before. For example: since the colors are more distinct, you can see an enemy moving more easily on a jungle or a very dark building if you have HDR enabled, giving you a slightly advantage over other players.

          • You say in theory which is great and all but have you seen it yourself?

          • Sexy Mcgee

            I’ve seen poorly set up TVs versus TVs with good color and contrast settings and while it might look subtle to the untrained eye the actual impact it has in spotting enemies is huge. If you’ve ever heard somebody complaining about enemies blending into the background or being hard to see even in CQC, 90% of the time it’s because the person either has a sub par TV/monitor or poor color set up.

            HDR would make a big difference in differentiating variations in colors – especially in darker, night time areas or when an enemy uses a uniform that has the same color palette as the level – and therefor would make it easier to spot enemies.

      • Naberios

        Here’s the problem with that point: All PS4’s back to the very first one sold will get HDR support patched in, so no it won’t give an “advantage” because all the PS4 consoles will have it.

        • Sexy Mcgee

          That’s a good point, you’re right.

  • efnet

    So hdr is a thing now because sony announced it ?
    Lol i love it !!!! Lol

    • Allen

      How is HDR not a thing? It’s all in the presentation and Micro$ofts was laughable. Sony came straight out and was honest about what you are going to get. Scorpio will not run games in 4K native, that’s just the truth. It may have an easier time but both are going to be upscaling to 4K except Pro is doing it at $399. Freaking amazing price, very well done Sony.

      Sony learned with the PS3, looks like Microsoft took their year headstart and 8 million lead with 360 for granted.

      • efnet

        Who said it wasn’t? I was talking about the author actually trying give credit to Sony for her when MS has a,box on the market that uses that feature ….stay in school little boy ?

        • Guest

          Yeah, MS told ALL XB1 owners, if you want HDR, just buy pay money and buy this new console called XB1s. Sony gave it to all PS4.
          Looks like they care about all their customers…

          Putting your bias and fanboyism aside, don’t you think it’s good thing?

          • efnet

            It’s not true though , there absolutely no way for my ps4 today to use HDR 10 with an HDMI port that’s 1.4 which is hardware based and cannot be patched up to 2.0
            Its just can’t ,I’m all for people getting what they want but we need these sites to point things like this out because it’s just not true…
            Now will they create someway to widen the color gamut a bit and just call it HDR? Probably , but this is not in no way shape or form true HDR it’s just not possible with a 1.4 HDMI port.
            Since you care about facts so much i just one huge one on you

          • Guest

            There are articles about this on the net. Look it up.
            The update is coming soon so why don’t you wait for it before crying about lies and all…?
            But it’s ok, I know it must be difficult for you to praise the “enemy” when they come up with a posiitve move…

          • efnet

            Lol I’m trying to tell you right here and now you cannot update and or change a hardware based HDMI port to suddenly become 2.0
            Guy it just doesn’t work that way in sorry ….it has to already be 2.0 ….

          • Kyle Hanson

            I guess we’ll find out in about a week. I’m not putting it past Sony to be misleading with stuff, but there’s just no reason to promise functionality like this if it isn’t even possible. If anything, it would have benefited them to have HDR be a PS4 Pro exclusive, so why say you’re upgrading the old console if you not only aren’t, but can’t?

            Sony knows their hardware way better than any of us, and they say they can and are doing it. I’m not going to call them liars until the update hits and somebody tries it on a HDR compatible TV. I would assume that it will work, or Sony will have created a very bad situation for themselves for no reason whatsoever.

          • efnet

            Alrighty then, we will wait and see .
            But remember I told you so.

          • Allen

            So where you gonna be when proven wrong? You gonna show your face efnet?

          • efnet

            I’ll be right here guy don’t you worry

          • Allen

            We will see. I can say that the Pro has me thinking about upgrading to 4K sooner than later.

          • efnet

            Yea uh huh lol

          • Guest

            lol I never talked about hardware update, just look it up.

          • efnet

            Lol tell you what, just please remember that I was the one to tell you that
            Ps4 and ps4 slim will not support true HDR
            While the ps4 pro will

            Lol watch

          • Naberios

            Actually, the PS4 slim has the needed connections. I’ve heard that the original PS4 will attain it via some software manipulation, but we will see.

          • efnet

            Yea, time will definitely tell.

      • Dennis

        Source?

        • Allen

          For what?

          • Dennis

            On the “Scorpio will not run games in 4K native, that’s just the truth.”
            I’ve not seen this, so if you have a source, I’d like to read it.

          • Allen

            Not going to happen. I’m sure smaller games could do 4K Native but you just wait, even if some launch titles are 4K native on Scoprio it won’t last long. I guarantee it won’t be native 4K on all titles. It’s just common sense but it’s fine, we will play the waiting game and see that I’m right.

          • Dennis

            The machine is capable, nothing was said that all games would be 4K.

            Obviously that’s up to the Devs and the demand from customers.

            If the customers demand it, Devs can choose to deliver – either in 1080, 4K or both.

            Anyone who thinks all games will be 4K, especially all at launch are kidding themselves.

            So is the machine 4K capable? From what’s been stated, yes. Will all games be 4K out of the gate? Likely not.

            The tech moves on and Devs will tap the available hardware in whatever way they’ll choose to target our wallets.

          • Allen

            AAA games won’t be able to just downgrade and deliver 4K native. The big titles will have to upscale to 4K. Scorpio will do it better than the PS4 Pro but then again the PS4 Pro is releasing and entire year earlier and only at $399. Shit PS4 Pro could even see a price cut before the Scorpio is finally here.

          • Dennis

            So no resolution options similar to what’s available on PC?

          • Allen

            I don’t see how we can be talking about resolution options when both the PS4 Pro and Scorpio will be upscaling most games to 4K.

          • Dennis

            Because it may be possible for Devs to do that – same as they do on the PC, no? And until the demand for true 4k comes, yes many games will be upscaled. IF the game isn’t made in 4k, then of course, the machine will merely upscale it.

            Again, gamers demand it, devs will respond.

          • Allen

            I think we are on the same page. The question will be is does whatever native resolution Scorpio have that needs to be upscaled to 4K be worth the extra cost and 1 year wait or will the PS4 Pro be good enough for most.

          • Dennis

            People will buy what they like. PS4 Pro, Scorpio – either way, it’s game time! :)

            So on that note, what you playing today? Me? Probably some BF4 or some Division.

          • Allen

            I’m hooked on BF4 and Tricky Towers at the moment. Funny how no matter what I buy I keep coming back to Battlefield.

          • Dennis

            Haha! Same here. There’s a few friends I’ve been pushing to get BF4 since they’ve returned to consoles…right now ALL the DLC for BF4 is able to be downloaded until the 19th.

            Pass it along if there’s any ‘maybe’ people in your groups. :)

            https://www.battlefield.com/news/road-to-battlefield

          • Allen
      • GK15

        Scorpio will run games in 4K. Not all games, MS aren’t forcing devs, but it will run plenty in 4K. You can bank on that.

        XB1-S actually does a pretty good job competing w/ PSPro and it even includes a 4K Blu Ray player. Scorpio will pretty much top it all around.

        • Allen

          I agree that Xbox one S has 4K Blu ray support, that’s cool. However that is still just an xbox one (which is only a fraction more powerful than the original xbone) and nothing like the PS4 Pro which is much more powerful than even a PS4.

          Scoprio probably will top the PS4 Pro all the way around. That said it is arrive a year late and probably at least $200 more expensive. I know I am just making that up but I seriously don’t see Microsoft selling the Scorpio at only $50 more than they are currently selling the Xbox One S for…do you?

          Also just look at some of the 4K gaming builds out there, I seriously don’t see Scorpio gaming in 4K native.

          • GK15

            It will do 4K native. MS asked the devs what they needed for it. And they’ve confirmed it multiple times.

            Not apples to apples PC compariosn

          • Allen

            There’s just no way man. Especially not anywhere near the price range of the Pro. I know they talked 4K the whole time but that was video and upscale to 4K gaming. A true 4K gaming native machine for all games – and games into the future is a shit ton of money.

          • GK15

            It will def do 4K Allen. That much I promise you. Been confirmed by MS multiple times. Thy even asked developers what they needed for 4K and that’s what Scorpio is based on.

            Of course not all games will do it. They even said they’re not mandating devs to do 4K and they can make their games however they think is best. But many games will and it will do 4K the best out of all the consoles.

            I’m estimating $499. Will prob have to sell at a loss but I don’t think it will be successful if priced higher.

          • Allen

            Well we will see how big of a game Scorpio can do native 4K in. Honestly with what they say they are packing I think $599 will still be at loss.

            Definitely Scorpio will do 4K the best out of the consoles.

          • S. Cruz

            So this does exactly what the Xbox one S does but with a higher price tag and no UHD.

          • Guest

            Did you see the difference in specs?

          • S. Cruz

            Xbox one S upscales games to 4K
            Ps4 Pro upscales games to

            Xbox one S has HDR support
            pS4 Pro has HDR support

            Xbox one S has UHD
            PS4 Pro doesn’t have UHD

            Xbox one S $299
            Ps4 Pro $399

            What other specs matter?

          • Guest

            Hardware specs. lol

          • S. Cruz

            They both do the same thing correct. Upscaling and hdr were what Sony was talki g about right?

          • Guest

            LOL What are you talking about?
            You can play games with a GTX 1080 and GTX 780. I guess they are the same. lol

            Forget PS4 Pro, even the regular PS4 has better GPU than XB1s. Do you know that most 4K TVs can upscale output from a regular PS4?

            Oh btw http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2016/09/the_elder_scrolls_online_runs_in_native_4k_on_ps4_pro

          • S. Cruz

            Upscale to 4k and having HDR is what I am talking about..both so it but Xbox One S does it cheaper and has an UHD.

            Yeah I am aware of tv upacalers but it’s better to have the device doing th scaling it reduces lag.

            Native for an MMO, so a digital game I have to buy all digital games to get 4k game, cause without. UHD most are saying how can it do native 4K disc based games, ill have to download a huge patch.

          • Guest

            You said “So this does exactly what the Xbox one S does but with a higher price tag”.
            My reply was look at the specs and you’ll understand. I didn’t bring frame rate or how many more exclusives/upcoming exclusives the PS4 has over the XB1…

            If you want to put crazy arguments saying a 500GB XB1s is the same as 1TB PS4 pro because it upscales resolution and does HDR, than I can say day one PS4 can have it’s output upscaled and will a also be able to do HDR.

            Like I said, the regular PS4 has better GPU so will most likely have better native resolution. The PS4 pro has a major upgrade in GPU and CPU to the regular PS4. The fact that you’re comparing the ps4 pro and XB1s is hilarous.

            It still CAN do native 4K. So yeah it upscales and does 4K native.

            I’m not sure if you’re serious here. My guess is that you are just trolling here..

          • S. Cruz

            Look on Sonys official website…do you find it strange that nowhere they use he Word “Native” 4K. I am not trolling. Both upscale…and do hdr….boot up destiny and watch it in 4k on Xbox one S its gorgeous. So I don’t understand why spend 399 when Xbox one S does the same thing and includes the UHD for 100 bucks cheaper.

          • Guest

            I gave you a link to an article about a game being native 4K. So it can do native… Ultimately, just like the scorpio it’ll be upto devs to see if they want to have a 4K with low frame rate or 1080p with higher frame rate.

            If you can’t understand the difference in GPU, CPU and memory between consoles.
            If you can’t understand the difference between a 500GB and 1TB HDD.
            If you can’t understand the difference in native resolution and higher frame rate than sorry I can’t help you…

            As far as I see it, there aren’t many reasons to buy a XB1s over a PS4 pro or even a regular PS4 at the moment.

          • S. Cruz

            Okay you gsve me a link…and no developer has ever lied about the resolution of their games…guerilla games and remedy have done it. I just find it funny that Sony loves to always brag but not once mentioned native 4K like they did with Native 1080p.

            I understand all that very well. But for 100 less I can get a 4k capable device, with HDR, a UHD…and with that extra 100 I can spend 50-60 and get an external 2TB HD and have money left.

            Xbox one S $299, 4k gaming upscaling (just like ps4 pro) HDR (Just like ps4) and an UHD…..

            PS4 Pro $399, 4k gaming upscaling (just like Xbox one S)
            HDR (just like Xbox one S)

            But you see no point..okay that’s cool

            And with HDR beeing a big part of the Sony event…they showed a lost of 3rd part games that will support it.so they will be one Xbox one S too. They like MS will push their first party games to so HDR. So which has the advantage there?

            $299 vs $399…guess that don’t matter at all.

          • Guest

            Honestly that’s hardly an argument. Just because some devs lied in the past it doesn’t mean they are lying. Do you know the term innocent until proven guilty? Honestly I would rather trust the devs working on the game rather than some random guy on internet speculating and guessing things…

            It doesn’t matter what you can buy on internet, if you want to compare products at least compare equivalent products. The XB1s has a 1TB version and it’s $350.

            I can’t believe I need to explain this to you.
            So is upscaling 900p to 4k at 30fps the same thing as upscaling 1080p to 4k at 60fps locked?

            UHD is the one thing going for the XB1 but is that what most gamers want? we’ll see about that…

            “And with HDR beeing a big part of the Sony event…they showed a lost of 3rd part games that will support it.so they will be one Xbox one S too. They like MS will push their first party games to so HDR. So which has the advantage there?”
            I’m not sure what you’re talking about here, but if you’re talking of games the PS4 has a whole as a clear advantage when it comes to number of games, exclusives and higher rated games…

          • Naberios

            S has 4k STREAMING, it does not upscale games to 4k, nor does it have any ability to run games above a native 1080p. From what I read, a lot of the Pro games are running around 1440p & they did say specifically that TESO was running at TRUE 4k despite what the author and a few others have said is possible here.

          • TonyDeon

            Playstation 4/Pro has VR
            Xbox……does not

          • S. Cruz

            Lol for an extra 300

          • Guest

            The problem is $499 isn’t a “premium price” It was the price of the XB1 at launch. If it is capable of doing 4K/60fps it’ll need a very good GPU and they’ll need to take a major loss if that’s the case.

            Also, we have no idea how many 3rd party studios will take time and resources and build a game for native 4K, knowing that scorpio is for a niche market of 4K TV owners.

          • GK15

            By holiday 2017 there will be many more 4K TV owners. They’re as little as $499 on sale for a 50″ these days. Pretty obvious adoption is gonna be high.

            I’m estimating Scorpio will be $499. That’s my guess. It needs to have a good price.

          • Guest

            Yes, there should be a more. Personally, I should buy one soon. But we’re talking of what 10-15% in the western market?

            If they manage $499 and can do 4k/60fps on major games than it’ll be very, VERY impressive…

          • Mr Xrat

            Any console can do 4K. Pro is on a few. Forza with its PS2 textures and jaggies will on the Shitpio. Try north of $600 for cost too. Pro will be at more than half that by the time it’s released. What a blunder.

        • Mr Xrat

          TLOUR, Killing Floor 2 and TESO confirmed native 4K.

          Good luck trying to equate upscaling from 1080p with 1800p and the custom techniques the Pro will also use.

          But hey, Kevin, you get a movie player again! It’s the current gen release season all over again.

          • GK15

            It’s not true 4K. It’s upscaled. Look into it. Remember you guys hated upscaling when XB1 did it…

          • Mr Xrat

            Look it up, Kevin. Those games are native 4K. Get out of your dipshit bubble.

          • GK15

            If it does do a few games in true native 4K then I’m suprised and was wrong about those few that it does.

            Guess I was confused since Mass Effect and CoD were reported as running in 4K when they weren’t true 4K

        • freddy_uk

          didnt we hear that at 2013 e3 .. o wait that right we did n xbox fell behind :’D

    • Kyle Hanson

      It’s a thing we’re all talking about, not an actual important thing in my opinion. In that section I’m trying to say that HDR is now becoming another (almost) worthless buzzword now that Sony spent almost an hour talking about how wonderful it is. Of course, it will work on a regular PS4, so who even cares.

      • efnet

        Kyle please tell me how HDR will work on a device that dosent supports HDMI 2.0b or a
        Im actually curious about that one ….
        Before you answer this, keep in mind that neither ps4 nor ps4slim supports HDMI 2.0
        So please enlighten me a bit would you.
        The ps4 pro there’s no question it will support true full HDR.

        • Kyle Hanson

          I really wanna just say “ask Sony” since they’re the ones that promised to do it, but I’m not a jerk :)

          Apparently their system is set up to where they can update the firmware of the HDMI port to allow the newer feature set. Some TVs have already done this (I discovered while searching to see if my TV could handle HDR…it doesn’t, but the model right after it got a nice update). So, it’s not a physical limitation on older HDMI devices, at least not in terms of the port itself, just the firmware that drives it.

          • efnet

            Im sorry Kyle but HDMI ports don’t work that way im afraid ?
            In some cases there is a possibility but for the ps4 and ps4 slim Its hardware and not sofware im afraid, not to be a dick but if you read here
            http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_0/hdmi_2_0a_faq.aspx
            And then contact Sony you’ll find that HDMI ports are indeed 1.4 and cannot be upgraded to 2.0 via firmware ….
            Its likely they will create there own process and label it HDR , but it’s not going to be true hdr10 or dolby vision?

          • Allen

            I’m sorry efnet but you are wrong little buddy. Enjoy your crusade while PS4 Pro’s come flying off the shelf and gamers get an entire year of this upgraded goodness.

            You do realize that the PS4 Pro is available right on the 3 year anniversary of the PS4 right? So you do realize that soon after the Scorpio finally gets here that the next PlayStation will be announced right?

          • efnet

            What does any of what you’ve just said has to do with an HDMI port being able to jump from 1.4 to 2.0 via software patch?

          • Allen

            Well it has to do with it because (1) It is going to happen (2) Even if it isn’t true HDR good luck getting that through to the masses on your “crusade”.

            You gotta admit, Sony is making Micro$oft look like ass hats with this…again.

          • efnet

            So your message is “even if it’s isn’t true good luck proving it”?
            Wow ….

          • Allen

            No, the message is YOU ARE WRONG.

            and even if you were right (which you aren’t), no one sees it the same way as you and all your tantrums and efforts are in vain.

          • efnet

            Lol ok then genius ….
            Just wait and see

          • S. Cruz

            It’s the Xbox one S without the UHD, how is Microsoft looking like ass hate? They have the same thing, HDR, upscaling games to 4k…but it’s also cheaper an has an UHD

          • Allen

            Because Micro$oft came out with the Xbox One S and is making their customers buy the new console if they want HDR output. Sony is able to do an update and give every single PS4 owner out there that same feature without the paid upgrade.

            Same as PS+ to XBL when XBL gave nothing for the $60/yr sub (and a million things before that) Sony is again making Micro$oft look like a bunch of ass hats.

            Shit kinda goes for the PS4 Pro too. Maybe not as powerful as the Scorpio but a damned good upgrade and a launch price of $399, definitely cheaper than I expected this “premium” product to be.

          • S. Cruz

            Ms is give you a consol that does Hdr, upscaling 4K game, a 4k blu ray player for 299, so is offer a 399 model that does that minus the UHD…so again how is ms asshat?

            Didn’t Sony up the ps+ price to match Xbox lives price?

            If Ps4 Pro is a “premium” product how is Xbox one S not it does the same things for cheaper and has a UHD.

          • I’m just curious if you contacted Sony to confirm this. Their HDMI transmitter is made by Panasonic and as I understand it flashing firmware updates for HDMI transmitters are possible depending on the manufacturer. I think Sony could in fact update it not necessary to support the full feature 2.0 spec but a custom update to just add HDR support.

          • efnet

            True ! Some HDMI transmitters from the end of 2014 I think can be updated via firmware so your theory could possibly be true for the ps4 slim (maybe )
            But the ps4 was made way before 2013 and it’s not likely that transmitter will be able to go from 1.4,to 2.0 via update…but only time will tell, I am extremely untreated and seeing how this works

          • Allen

            The thing is…Sony is this huge technology company that stands by their products and you are just this poor pathetic fanboy that talks a lot of shit but in reality knows very little.

          • efnet

            Lol

          • Steven Hiller

            that’s a crap thing to say. He had a valid interesting point. Dont get mad because $ony is being shady or you dont have the skills to understand these topics. You’re the biggest troll on this site

  • Guester

    Nailed it also ps4pro as far as I saw cerny said at 1080p the games will scale to 60fpd with better visuals? I hope anyways.I love my pc but to play standard 60 fps 1080 with friends would be nice

  • CEO of the Internet ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    It’s good to see opinion pieces like these that actually provide some facts to counter Sony’s marketing.
    Upscaled 4K is not 4K. They might as well just say “Hey, we’re stretching 1080p games to make them four times bigger!”

    You can read this if you don’t understand why this is an issue:
    http://www.red.com/learn/red-101/upscaled-1080P-vs-4K

    (I am not endorsing red.com, but it’s the best example I could find after 2 minutes)

  • Guest

    MS fanboys are hilarious. They were the one who went for the weaker XB1 at launch and were going on and on about that console. How many times did I hear MS fanboys say resolution doesn’t matter but frame rate does? How many times have MS fanboys came up with “the most powerful console never won a generation”? How many times have downplayed difference in resolution? Last year, how many times have they said “we are gamers, we don’t care about blu ray player”?

    Now these same people are talking about power, resolution and UHD blu-ray player…
    Nice bunch of hypocrites… LOL

    For me, the good thing about Sony’s announcement is that they aren’t leaving current PS4 owners behind they still care about the 40m+ users… This is not the end of the generation and it only gives people more choice. It is at a reasonable price (not a “premium price”) and at least this is a console that WILL do something for you even if you don’t own a 4K TV and that’s the case for most people…

  • Tga215

    Will this generation got a whole lot intetesting

  • Naberios

    Did you even watch the entire show? That’s exactly what they said they wanted for people still with 1080p TVs. Tomb Raider guys specifically said there would be multiple modes to choose from. One with a completely unlocked framerate for the smoothest gameplay & one for max visual fidelity. It was all part of the “you don’t need a 4k TV to gain significant benefit from owning a PS4 Pro”. Come on man!

    • Kyle Hanson

      Framerate improvements have been mentioned, but very much in passing. Kotaku reported that most developers who were asked were not worrying about improving framerate, instead focusing on 4K and HDR. As I said in the article, the added power can be used for better framerates, but it seems like the vast majority are putting their attention into 4K instead. The official stage presentation was all about 4K as well, never (or almost never, I don’t want to have to rewatch all 45 minutes) mentioning framerate. I’m saying that framerate improvements are possible and that devs and Sony should be focusing on that instead of 4K.

  • lygamnt

    Really good article. Frame rate is very important and 60 is the sweet spot. The Xbox one s and PS4 Pro won’t hit 4k 60fps, but i do think the Scorpio will be able to pull it off. As will the next Sony console whenever it comes out.

    • Guest

      Yes I agree 4K/60fps is not coming anytime soon on console. If Scorpio can pull it off on major games than it’ll be great.
      The problem would then be 1) What would happen to current XB1/XB1s owners? and 2) what would be the price of such a device?

      • lygamnt

        Agreed.