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Former Driveclub Developer Says Power Of PS4 Pro Is Being Underestimated

| September 26, 2016

Former Driveclub Developer Says Power Of PS4 Pro Is Being Underestimated News  PS4

There was a lot of hype around the code named PlayStation 4 Neo for months, but the actual reveal of the now named PS4 Pro disappointed many people. With what will be a more powerful Scorpio in the future, PS4 Pro has been called more of a marginal upgrade, but one developer disagrees with that.

Former Driveclub dev Paul Rustchynsky is a big fan of using Twitter and has used it to communicate with fans about Driveclub in the past, which had its fair share of problems right after launch. After the closure of Evolution Studios that was owned by Sony, Rustchynsky moved onto Codemasters where he is currently working on an unknown new racing IP.

While he no longer works under Sony, he chose to retweet an article talking about the PS4 Pro that talked about it being a sunstantial upgrade, in which he added on in the tweet by saying the following:

“Too many people are underestimating the #PS4Pro without having seen it in action #SeeingIsBelieving

Considering he isn’t working with Sony any longer, it’s not like he had to go out and say anything about the PS4 Pro. With being a developer himself, it’s possible he’s gotten a chance to work with the Pro in some capacity so far or at least knows the level of power it will have, so it’s good to hear some good thoughts about the console from his point of view.

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  • Guest

    Yeah, a lot of people here are underestimating it. But then again, most of them are MS “fans”.
    Some of these people are even comparing the PS4 pro to the XB1s. LOL

    • MrSquifler

      They have good reason to compare the Pro to the One S. They are very similar in terms of their capabilities.

      • Guester

        Not when it comes to games. Not even close. The one s didn’t get even a marginal upgrade to the cpu ram gpu

        • MrSquifler

          It’s not about power upgrades though. the Pro does almost everything the One S does without next to no advantages. Yes it’s more powerful, it’s also more expensive and doesn’t have a UHD player.

          • Allen

            lol so you just turned a blind eye to all the graphical/resolution/frames per second improvements for all the “forward compatible” games that will be patched for PS4 Pro enhanced features and all the announced coming games with PS4 Enhancements?

            Also you deny that the added power will give the platform added stability?

            Yeah….you’re a butt hurt xbox fanboy spewing lies and disinformation.

            Released games “forward compatible”:

            Call of Duty: Black Ops 3
            Deus Ex: Mankind Divided
            Infamous: First Light
            Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor
            Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End
            The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited
            The Last of Us: Remastered
            The Witness
            Paragon

            Upcoming games:

            Battlefield 1 – October 28
            Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare – November 4
            Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered – November 4
            Days Gone – 2017
            Dishonored 2 – November 11
            Farpoint (PlayStation VR) – TBD 2016
            FIFA 17 – September 27
            Final Fantasy 15 – November 29
            For Honor – February 14, 2017
            Ghost Recon: Wildlands – March 7, 2017
            Horizon: Zero Dawn – February 28, 2017
            Killing Floor 2 – November 18
            Mass Effect: Andromeda – Early 2017
            Rise of the Tomb Raider – October 11
            Spider-Man – TBD
            Steep – December 2
            Titanfall 2 – October 28
            Watch Dogs 2 – November 15

          • MrSquifler

            “you’re a butt hurt xbox fanboy spewing lies and disinformation.” If anyone sounds “butt hurt” it’s you.

            And what “disinformation” have I spewed?

          • Allen

            There are clear advantages of the PS4 Pro over the original PS4. There was an entire conference dedicated to it. I just listed all the future compatible games and upcoming games also showing advantages.

            How the shit can you say “the Pro does almost everything the One S does without next to no advantages” when there are absolutely huge advantages?

            And only at $399, VS no real upgrade other than UHD player Xbox One S.

          • MrSquifler

            What advantages does it have against the One S other than more power? They both have HDR and upscaled 4K.

            Your extra power isn’t going to get you very far when the majority of the games will be upscaled just like the One S.

          • Allen

            Dude, you literally are hiding in denial if you are just glazing over all the announcements for PS4 Enhanced features.

            I ALREADY LISTED YOU THE GAMES that will take advantage of PS4 Pro power.

            Rise of the Tomb Raider for instance has 3 different mode options:

            – 4K Resolution Mode: 4K resolution running at 30 frames-per-second
            – Enriched Visuals Mode: 1080p resolution running at 30 frames-per-second
            – High Frame-rate Mode: 1080p resolution running at 60 frames-per-second

            if you want to know what each individual game’s enhancements are then you should look up each individual one.

            PS4 standard is more powerful than the Xbox One S & has HDR output. It benefits with higher resolutions, frame rates & overall stability.

            PS4 Pro is far far far more powerful than the Xbox One S and is here right now.

            BTW Scorpio too will be upscaling, even if they are native 4K at launch it will still just be upscaling in short order. So why wait an entire year and pay more?

          • MrSquifler

            “PS4 Pro is far far far more powerful than the Xbox One S and is here right now.” I’m not denying that at all…..

            “BTW Scorpio too will be upscaling, even if they are native 4K at launch it will still just be upscaling in short order. So why wait an entire year and pay more?” Again you are bringing up the Scorpio, and now who is spewing misinformation?

            You have no idea if the Scorpio will upscale and yet hear you are claiming it will even when MS has said it will have native 4K.

            Also, if we’re going to use your logic then why wait for a Pro when a One S is available right now. I can play Tomb Raider at upscaled 4K and with HDR right now….

          • Allen

            (1) I am not denying that at launch the games on Scorpio will be 4k native. If Microsoft says they are going to do it then I’m sure they will make sure it happens…whatever things they need to sacrifice to make it happen I’m sure they will do.

            (2) There is no way Scorpio could keep up 4K native for too long. It will have to upscale same as PS4 Pro.

            (3) Committing to 4K native at launch means ensuring massive resources. Looking at 1TB Xbox One S for $349 I imagine the Scorpio will be the most expensive console in history.

            (4) Just look at what a PC needs today to get 4K native. The only thing confirmed from Microsoft is 6 Teraflops. Well that’s pretty light looking at most of these 4K builds on PC.

            For reference a GTX 1080 is 8.9 Teraflops.

            (5) Rise of the Tomb Raider on PS4 Pro has better visuals or if you choose you can instead get 1080p native & 60fps. Where as Xbox One S can’t even hold a perfectly solid 30fps.

          • MrSquifler

            You’re not denying it, but you are pulling things out of you arse.

            You have absolutely no idea what the Scorpio is capable of or what it will do and here you are making assumption.

            And yet again you are bringing up the Scorpio for no reason. Are you so insecure about your precious Pro that you feel the need to repeatedly bring it up without reason?

          • Allen

            (1) Where I am assuming I call it out so what is it you say I’m pulling out of my ass? Cause all I see is

            *Agreeing that if M$ says Scorpio will be 4K Native at launch that it will be then. We will see if they have to make sacrifices to the games – you better believe Scorpio will be highly scrutinized by the gaming community against 4K PC’s.

            *Commenting that M$ went out of their way to say “at launch it will be 4K native”. How long do you think it will keep it up? Looking at the 6 terraflops alone and it being nothing compared to a GTX 1080 I really don’t think it will be able to play all games at 4K native for long. We will see – I guess this is an opinion but I’d say it’s a smart one. I’d love to hear how long you think Scorpio could do 4K native on 6 teraflops looking at games being more and more demanding and 4K being a hard task to achieve.

            *Another opinion okay but again I’d like to know your predictions on pricing. I couldn’t see 1TB Xbox One S coming down more than $50 in the next year. Do you really think they are going to release a console at less than $599? Rumor is 12gb of ram bwa ha ha you know I’m right.

            *Stated a fact on Microsoft officially announced Scorpio teraflops & measured GTX 1080. Not sure where you are getting any of this pulling shit out of no where nonsense.

            *Lastly I factually listed the options just announced on Rise of the Tomb Raider – simply replying to your original question what the benefit of PS4 over Xbox One S is. I don’t think you liked the factual answer.

            (2) Yes, until official specs are announced we do not know what the Scorpio will be capable of. We do know 6 Teraflops and rumored 12gb. That’s enough to look at today’s requirements for 4K and make some valid opinions.

            (3) Scorpio very much belongs in this conversation and we have been talking about it as well as PS4 Pro and Xbox one S all day. You are the one trying to act like Xbox One S is anywhere near the level of the PS4 Pro. That’s why Scorpio must be part of this conversation. You are downplaying PS4 Pro like Scorpio is going to be somehow amazingly better than PS4 Pro when in reality it may only be marginally better. PS4 Pro is over 4 Teraflops which is more than double that of the original PS4. Ram and processor have also had performance upgrades.

          • MrSquifler

            All of the things you just said are assumptions, you have no idea what/if MS’s plan is for native 4K or what they will do to improve the hardware but you think you do….

            They’re not “valid opinions” though, we know it has 12GB or RAM, but we don’t know the specification of the RAM, we don’t know if they will overclock the CPU & GPU and MS said themselves that they are planning on bringing upgrades the the Scorpio so it’d be like a PC. So it is very easy to see how they could achieve 4K months, years after launch.

            And again, I’m not downplaying the Pro or trying to bring up the Scorpio, you are! You’re the one who brought the Scorpio up and now you’re acting like I’m a MS fanboy who loves the Scorpio.

            I get it, you like the idea of the Pro and you like your PlayStation, but please do the rest of our community a favour and grow up. Not every PlayStation fans is drooling over the Pro and acting so defensive about it, you’re just giving PS fans the world over a bad name.

          • Allen

            You are horribly wrong kid. You seriously don’t know what you are talking about and I have clearly said when I am formulating an opinion and giving reasons while you have yet to come up with anything yourself.

            WE DO NOT KNOW SCORPIO WILL HAVE 12GB OF RAM. See that’s just what I’m talking about. IT’S A FREAKING RUMOR KID. You are the one that keeps making assumptions.

            I await your answers:

            How much do you think Scorpio will be?
            -My prediction is $599-$1000

            How long do you think Scorpio will be able to do Native 4K?
            -My prediction is not long and they very well may need to make sacrifices to achieve native 4K.

            lol those are the only two opinions I listed…which I specified. Then I went on to list some FACTS. So please tell me SPECIFICALLY what you think I’m wrong about.

            Because I can guarantee you are basing your opinons off some lies or disinformation from some other jealous xbot all hopeful that they are right. Well you aren’t.

            You are doing the entire gaming industry a great injustice by spreading these lies and disinformation. Your pessimistic view and talking about things you know nothing about. You really should wait for the facts before spewing your BS.

            lol I bet you think that Scorpio will always be 4K and that the price will be $399 to meet PS4 Pro LMAO. Tis the life of a delusional xbox fanboy.

          • MrSquifler

            Why are you still talking about Scorpio? You keep trying to force it in to the conversation like we are discussing it and we are not.

            And way to original with the “kid” insults, have you not learned that it only proceeds to humiliate you?

          • Allen

            At some point I’m going to have to just give up because I know you are trolling. But because I’m board at work and because I enjoy making you look stupid I will continue to respond.

            (1) I already listed why Scorpio must be part of this conversation.

            (A) Because you keep downplaying PS4 Pro.
            (B) I am reminding you Scorpio will have it’s own limitations.
            (C) Because you have yet to disprove anything I have said. You keep changing subjects or avoiding the challenge. I will not allow you to get away with just spewing some BS and not addressing the question/challenge.

            (2) If you didn’t make immature accusations about things you do not know about. If you didn’t run away from questions/challenges….then I could see not calling you a kid. Until then you just sound a jealous xbot.

          • MrSquifler

            You insult me, drag irrelevant things to the conversation because you couldn’t talk about the topic and now you call me a troll?

            Why does every internet user have to do this? It’s like none of you know how to remain composed so you descend into stupidity and insults, trying to make yourselves feel good but calling the other user stupid and a troll when in fact, you’re the more likely troll because you just insulted the other person.

            The internet has been around for awhile, so why does this continue to happen.

          • Allen

            The PS4 Pro is a lot better than you give it credit for. It’s coming out now that many games will have those options that Tomb Raider is confirmed to have. Considering most people still have 1080p TV’s the PS4 Pro will definitely better suit those gamers. Again – Sony is just playing this perfectly. We are not ready for 4K. The majority out there doesn’t have 4K and 1080p TV’s are still way cheaper today…oh and almost all the content out there is still not 4K!

            So if anything you are just highlighting how invalid Scorpio really is. Couple that with a year late to the party and it’s high price tag – Scorpio doesn’t have much to offer a 1080p TV gamer.

          • S. Cruz

            High prize Tag? How do you know the price of a device over a year out? The parts they are using now will only get cheaper over time. Being a year late to the party..based on your 4k time table means the Scorpio will launch around the time 4k is even cheaper. So sorry I disagree with your high price and late to the party.

          • Allen

            $599-$999 is my prediction. What is your’s and where will you be when it’s announced? You going to apologize if I’m right?

          • S. Cruz

            Apologize for what you listed a $400 window for your guess. Again MS can afford to take a huge loss on the Scorpio, because overall MS is a multibillion dollar company with plenty of cash to burn. So launching at 399 or 499 for a true 4K console vs and upscaling console is a move they can afford to gamble on.

          • Allen

            Because they can take a huge loss is why I have a $400 window. Who knows how things will change in a year with their unofficial specs, PS4 Pro sales, what Microsoft analasys of their hardware is…is it really beneficial over the PS4 Pro or what.

            My prediction is FAR more than you or any other critic has dared to predict.

            I would say with what they are saying they will pack it should be $999. How big of a hit they are willing to take is the question.

            Oh wait…are you saying you predict $399-$499 for Scorpio!? LMAO not going to happen

          • S. Cruz

            So you’re saying a console parts prices cant drop in a year? You’re basing your price of 4K gaming right now. Mass producing parts for a console drastically reducing overall cost fo the purchaser. Will MS take a loss on Scorpio…absolutely, will it be what you predict….no.

          • Allen

            I am definitely saying console parts won’t drop hundreads of dollars in a year.

            Look at PS4 & Xbox One. PS4 is $100 cheaper than launch 3 years ago and Xbone is $150 cheaper than 3 years ago (not including +$100 for kinect).

            Again – Xbox One S 1TB = $350.

            Scorpio has more than 3x the computing capability and rumored 50% increase in ram (and we don’t know bandwidth or CPU upgrades yet).

            How you think Scorpio will launch at $399 in just 1 year is beyond me. It’s a “premium” product.

            Hey we will see man. My comment history is open and I’ll be here when it’s announced.

          • S. Cruz

            Well since neither you nor i know the price of said parts we will have to wait unit they announce specs and price.

            Also Xbox lunched at 499 and is now 299 with a uhd. So it dropped 200 and added an expensive feature.

          • Allen

            You are including Kinect in that original $499 price.

            Again – I’ll be here when the price is confirmed. Will you?

          • S. Cruz

            The Xbox one launched at 499, at launch there was only the 499. It is now down to 299…200 less than launch with a uhd.

            Im sorry do you have me confused with someone who dodges you? If you are correct on your prediction I will gladly give you your props. I have no invests interest in being right about things I can’t control.

          • Allen

            At $499 with kinect. Without Kinect it was $399 which is what we are really looking at.

            Regardless, Scorpio will not be $399 at launch. No way in holy hell. Everyone in the gaming industry is calling it the most expensive console in history as well so…we will see dude.

            We should know by June 2017 what the price is, perhaps earlier.

          • S. Cruz

            You stated the launch of the ps4 was 399..well the launch of the Xbox one was 499. I wasn’t until 7 months later the 399 hit. So for 7 months it was 499. So its 249 to 299 at its lowest price…but to your without Kinect point…fine 399 down to 299. Both consoles at 299 right now.

            Ps4 lost the optical audio out to get that price which is fine

            Xbox one lost the Kinect port…and gained a uhd drive.

            So at 299 which box has improved as the price when down?

            Yea I know it more about power, but the controller and extra stuff don’t really bother me. I’ll spend the extra on what I consider the best controller in gaming the Xbox ones controller. For 12 years live was the better service as far as online stability goes. Pan was complete shit for 3 years but as of now is on pair with live…both cost $60 and give free games..which is better games is purely opinion, and my opinion is ps+ best xboxes free games 9 times out 12.

          • Allen

            lol but if you were to get an Xbox one today with Kinect how much would it be? Reading further I see you have corrected yourself.

            PS4 Slim VS Xbox One S – I suppose it would depend on if a person has a 4KTV **AND if they specifically want UHD. Looking at them there aren’t many movies released in UHD and learning more about it most of them aren’t even captured in 4K (only Sony captures in 4K). I seriously don’t understand why they didn’t put the UHD in the PS4 pro though. That certainly doesn’t make any sense.

            Bull shit on your claims about PS3 online play. I’ve been online gaming since online play was in it’s infancy. It has always been free online play. Moving from PC to PS3 was simple and PSN did not lag, stutter, transport or drop me any more than PC does and I’ve had experiences on XBL where it too had those problems from time to time (no online experience is perfect, there are a lot of variables).

            ***The only thing I could say is that last gen PSN was down more unexpectedly than XBL. Both suffered outages though. 2007 XBL suffered a 2 week downtime & 2011 PSN suffered a 3 week downtime. XBL’s was an overload issue and PSN was a direct attack. XBL gave 1 low ranked game as compensation & PSN gave 2 high ranked games from a list of 5 to choose from, weekend of HD movie rentals and month of PS+ (and free credit protection just in case).

            XBL was worthless and threatened all of entertainment, not just gaming. Thank god Sony came in and showed Micro$oft what a subscription service should look like.

            *On which offers “better” games certainly is an opinion.

            ***On which offers more games, more higher rated games & newer games that is not an opinion.

            PS+ wins that hands down and all the proof is in the pudding – google “list of games with gold” and “list of instant game collection” to find the wikipedia pages that I verify is correct every month. Then look at release dates & metacritic. If you pay attention to this site they have started doing a comparison each month and they do a decent job **however PS+ gives a lot of games for free on their release day which brings our overall rating score down sometimes since there is no review for them yet but I think the overall picture is very clear.

            I think in the end I will get XBL to go with my Xbone though. I absolutely adore getting the free games on PS+ and Xbox has had some good months I won’t argue. I think I would agree with your opinion there.

          • S. Cruz

            Yeah they future proofed thermir console with Uhd. We had the 4K topic talk already. We won’t agree on it. So wait and see is what we can do but 299 for a uhd is goo move on MS part IMO.

            Psn at its begining stages was not on pair with live. That is a fact you can google. Agreed MS charging was ridiculous but they’ve always done it so it wasn’t a surprise it happend for the 360.

            I agreed ps+ was the better value….do you read or just skim? Ps+ wins 9 months out of 12 month.

            Yeah no harm in getting live, just don’t pay full price, deals all the time as low as 35 for a year.

          • Allen

            Oh we agree on the UHD. If someone asked me today what was the best UHD to buy it would definitely be the Xbox One S. It’s like a move Sony would do…but didn’t. You wouldn’t think the price would be that much if Microsoft can do it at the price they are doing it at.

            I still don’t agree on PSN. I came to PS3 in 2008 and it had always been smooth and lag free for me. Hell I even gamed wirelessly once just to try it out, router 25′ away and it was fine. I was playing Battlefield 1943 – god I miss that game.

            – I said I agree with you on PS+. Xbox wins some months but most the time PS+ wins.

            Later dude.

          • MrSquifler

            Again, you’re still bringing up the Scorpio for no reason! You have such a hard-on for it.

            And you say that “gamers” aren’t ready for 4K yet but there are plenty of PC gamers who are ready for it, and use it. Also, things could be very different this time next year, you could pick up and Xbox One S and a 4K TV for $800 earlier this year. Imagine Xmas and Black Friday sales in the US next year for Scorpio’s and 4K TV’s.

          • Allen

            Dude…you KEEP talking about Scorpio. Then leave it be and STFU if you don’t want to talk about it anymore.

            I already responded several times as to PS4’s capabilities. You are running away from the facts and living a life of delusions.

            I say gamers aren’t ready for 4K because a huge portion of gamers out there still don’t have 4KTV’s. Gamers in general care more about 1080p & 60fps, if you spent any time in any gaming discussions you would know that.

            Sure talking about 4K is fun. I don’t have a 4KTV and I’m here enjoying it. I’m definitely in the market for a new TV this year as I want to put my current one in my bedroom but looking at things I think I’m going to skip 4K for another 3-5 years. By then more 4K content will be available as there is very little right now and PS5 will be here.

            I’m definitely getting a PS4 Pro, I’m really excited for the features listed available so far for the games utilizing the power. My lil bro has a 4K TV. I might try it out on his sometime for shits and giggles.

            lol Scorpio next year. It will sell great I’m sure. I bet you that PS4 Pro sells more during the holidays though.

            I love how you think Scorpio will be anywhere near PS4 Pro pricing when a 1TB Xbox One S is $349. Scorpio has over 3 times the computing speed & rumored 50% increase in ram (& likely higher bandwidth) and we don’t even know about the CPU yet.

            PS4 came down $100 in 3 years.

            But no…I’m sure magically some how technology will leap 10 years and it will be $399 for Scorpio in year LMAO

          • MrSquifler

            You’re still talking about the Scorpio and to make it worse you think I’m the one who’s bringing it up.

            Talk about delusion.

          • Allen

            lol I just said if you don’t want to talk about Scorpio then STFU about Scorpio.

            Then 90% of my comment was about PS4 Pro…way to hide in denial like all the other xbox fanboys.

          • MrSquifler

            What exactly am I denying? You keep saying I’m in denial.

            The only thing I “denied” was your nonsense about the Scorpio. That’s it.

          • Allen

            Well let’s go over what you say is nonsense about the scorpio. I have already given my stance and the reason why I feel that way.

            So tell me what it is you say I am full of nonsense about and why you feel that way. I would like to know what evidence you have to say I am wrong when I have very good reasons, and specified them for feeling the ways I do.

            And my favorite part of all this…you going to be around when final specs are announced, pricing, comparisions when it finally releases & when the first game comes around that isn’t 4K to see how early it is after launch (or if sacrifices are going to need to be made)?

          • MrSquifler

            I am done with you.

            I said what I came here to say, then you went on your rants.

            I will no longer waste my time with you.

          • Allen

            LOL! So you have nothing to back up your stance that I am full of nonsense about Scoprio.

            Yeah…that’s what I thought.

            Xbots either lie – run away – or start coming names.

          • MrSquifler

            I already told you almost everything you said about Scorpio was speculation. Hence you being full on nonsense, and you’re still bringing it up….

          • Allen

            THEN LIST IT!!! Because I call BS. Much of what I listed was not speculation…it was officially announced stuff!

            You cannot say “officially announced” is speculation. It’s official.

            The only speculation was based off facts…which I listed. You have yet to list any facts in your claims that I am full of nonsense about. Just because you say it doesn’t make it true….you must have a source or reason to back it up same as I do.

          • MrSquifler

            Why are you so concerned with the Scorpio? It has nothing to do with our original conversation….

            I will no longer reply to you, you’re a freaking moron.

          • Allen

            Why do you keep responding asking why I keep responding about the Scorpio and then failing to explain your claim that I am full of nonsense.

            Face it, you are a troll and you got caught talking shit and now you can’t come up with anything and are running exactly as I said.

            You are acting like you are all respectable and all but in reality you are just dancing around a conversation. Also I have separately discussed the issues you originally brought up and you have yet to respond to that reply either…further proof you don’t and can’t stay on topic or have a civil discussion. This dancing around it and continuously repeating the same nonsense (see I get to use that because I just explain how you are full of nonsense) is just another type of trolling.

          • MrSquifler

            You claim that I dance around the topic, but I want no part of the topic. I made my original comment and then you went on a nonsensical rant about Scorpio.

            Enjoy your day, you deluded fool.

          • Allen

            Still dancing dude. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT SAID I’M FULL OF NONSENSE AND NOW YOU CAN’T BACK IT UP.

            Also AGAIN – I had separately addressed your original comment in full – without bringing Scorpio into it.

          • Guest

            “Your extra power isn’t going to get you very far when the majority of the games will be upscaled just like the One S.”
            lol what are you talking about?
            Do you know that most 4K TVs already upscales to 4K?
            Do you think the upscaling 720p or 900p @30fps is the same as upscaling 1080p at 60fps?

          • MrSquifler

            You don’t just connect a 4K TV and have an upscaled display….

            And I didn’t say that is was the same thing, but when a One S upscales to 4K and HDR and Pro does the comparisons between the consoles are very easy to make….

          • Naberios

            For the last (probably not though) time, the S model does NOT scale game to 4k. When MS promotes it with that slightly misleading “the ultimate games and 4k streaming” title, please note it’s not saying 4k gaming. But some sheep see that gaming & 4k were used in the same sentence, so OBVIOUSLY it does same level of upscaling as a PS4 Pro or better. Which I’m sure they’re very much counting on.

          • MrSquifler

            Yes it does. It has 4K streaming for things like Netflix and it upscales games to 4K.

          • Naberios

            No, it doesn’t, or in their jabs at Sony they would have specified that. That quote about “ultimate” is classic marketing speak. If you can’t see past it, you’re either dumb or a blindly obedient fanboy. It might upscale, but to nowhere near the same degree. The UHD drive is the only advantage the S has over a Pro…. well, and probably external hdd support since Sony refuses to let go of that antiquated mindset.

          • MrSquifler

            So you’re just going to completely ignore it because it serves your purpose? Fine, the One S upscales, but if you don’t want to believe it.

            I’ll just leave this here for you; http://support.xbox.com/en-GB/xbox-one/console/4k-on-xbox-one-s

          • Naberios

            I’m not ignoring anything. I’ve already stated that while the S might upscale, it will be no where near the level of the PS4 Pro. Everything the S upscales will be native 1080p. Games launched before the Pro comes out will be able to add an update to boost its native resolution and games developed after the devs were given Pro kits can take advantage of the added resolution during development. From what I’ve seen that means at least 1440p then being upscaled, which translates to a much better resolution than what the S can get.

            And that’s what it can do if you have a 4k tv. If you don’t, it can still improve a game’s look/fps WAY beyond what an S can do if you’re gaming on a 1080p tv,

            Then there’s PSVR, while able to work on a standard PS4, from what I’ve heard really shines on a Pro. There’s an outside chance that MS might try to make the Scorpio compatible with Rift or something like that, but I don’t think you’ll be seeing anything like that for the S.

            I think the S is a really good deal for what it is, but it’s not in the same league & shouldn’t be compared to a PS4 Pro.

          • Console and PC Master Race

            Is there a difference between upconverting and upscaling?

          • MrSquifler

            I believe there is.

            Upconverting is taking a non-HD connection and converting to HD i.e. composite to HDMI.

            And upscaling is taking a resolution and converting it to something higher i.e 1080p to 2160p.

            I’m probably wrong though.

          • Console and PC Master Race

            Ah, okay. Wasn’t sure myself. I think then that the Xbox One S probably has weak upscaling and Pro’s will have really good upscaling. Still, I’m not that excited about the Pro, although I’ll be getting one. As far as consoles are concerned, Scorpio will be the top dawg and am excited for it.

          • MrSquifler

            I’m sure the Pro will do a better job of upscaling since it is apparently upscaling from 2K to 4K.

            But the difference is minimal and probably won’t be noticeable.

          • Pops

            Your not going to notice a difference between pspro and xbox one S.but you are definitely see a difference with the scorpio

          • MrSquifler

            Oh, no doubt. the Scorpio is rumoured to run at a native 4K resolution which always looks better than upscaling.

          • Chewy Cuellar

            All sony fanboys suck. I have every console and the ps4 only for the exclusives, but xb1 will always be better. Keep crying, thats what happened with ps3 at the beginning they were winning but in the end the 360 destroyed the ps3. Watch and see by yourselves how the xb1 will win again after some years, the ps4 is boring, shitty servers and anoying controllers, they improved a little trying to mock the controllers from xbox but hey, sony fanboys will always deffend their ignorance

          • Allen

            LMAO what!?

            (1) Xbox 360 released a year earlier and sold approx. 8 million units that year.
            (2) Despite the half truths you read and just believed the 360 only beat the PS3 in the US. Worldwide 360 lost it’s ass & PS3 beat 360 to be the 4th best selling console in history behind PS2, PS1 & Wii (in that order).
            (3) XBL has been down a shit ton since Xbone launch, PSN is far more stable and less unexpected downtime. It also has twice the users so a bigger and more robust ecosystem.
            (4) Xbox has no exclusives LMAO!
            (5) XBL gives older, lower rated & fewer games than PS+
            (6) Put up with all sorts of shit on Xbox (A) still uses AA batteries (B) Still has power brick (s doesn’t but s has kinect adapter – they can’t get anything right) (C) Poor hardware design – less power, bigger box, external power supply, can’t replace HDD ect.
            (7) Yeah sure…retarded thumb position. One of my biggest problems with Xbox. Wish there was a good 3rd party controller with symmetric thumbs.

          • Coffee High

            I have just read all your comments on this page and I agree with.. Nothing you have said. You really are out to give Sony fanboys a worse reputation than they already have. You reality differs from actual reality quite badly, but you believe it’s the truth and attempt to shout down everyone. Please relax! Your shouts will not make Sony win, nor will they make the Pro look like it is actually good. My PS4 is fine, my Xbox one S sits right next to it. They don’t argue or try to shout each other down. They seem content to sit there and wait to be used. Granted, the Xbox gets used more, mostly because it’s easier to use, but the PS4 does not feel unloved because of it.

          • Pops

            the uhd player alone costs 299 alone.so you are actually getting the gaming side of things free on xboxone S

          • Allen

            I agree. If you are specifically looking for a UHD blu rays then the Xbox One S is the best one on the market. It’s the same price but is more capable.

            HOWEVER – Once you look into UHD movies you will see that most movies don’t get a UHD release.

            I took it a step further and found that Fox, Warner and most other big names other than Sony don’t even capture in 4K! So what few movies there are aren’t even true 4K.

            This all points a picture for me – Wait on 4K. I am in the market for a new TV this year and it will be a 1080p. I will wait for a superior 4K in 3-4 years – for when PS5 is here, more capable for 4K and there are more movies in 4K.

          • Pops

            there was a post on ign about a week or two ago.that said you are going to have to pay for that forward compatability. you have to pay for old games to be patched for 4k on pspro and that sucks

          • Mr Xrat

            Keep up.

          • Allen

            There are a shit ton of articles posted where Sony confirmed that post was bull shit.

            Way to spew lies and disinformation..like all xbots you have nothing and have to rely on your conjured BS.

          • Allen

            http://www.thecountrycaller.com/39086-sony-confirms-playstation-4-pro-will-not-have-paid-patches/

            http://www.polygon.com/2016/9/9/12861310/ps4-pro-4k-hdr-patch-fee

            http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2016/09/09/ps4-pro-sony-wont-charge-extra-forward-compatibility-patches-enhanced-games/

            Just a couple from a very simple google search. I know you would never even think about doing any research before posting such an ignorant comment. Just thought I’d prove just how stupid you are.

          • Pops

            Doesn’t matter xboxs is going to still give pspro a run for its money.both are upscaling with hdr.better worry about Scorpio that’s going to be native 4k without checker board upscaling.its going to shit on pspro.now I’m being ignorant wasn’t trying before.

          • Allen

            lol! Way to lick your own balls with your self upvote kid.

            Scorpio is going to be Native 4K at launch. We will see how big of a difference the hardware advantage really gives considering some games will be native 4K on PS4 (like The Last of Us Remastered).

            I bet you that PS4 Pro sells more this holiday than Scorpio does next. I’m sure you won’t be around when I’m proven right lol.

          • Pops

            Damn how many times are they going remaster the last of us.i thought that game was forward compatible?but it looks like they are going to charge you again.way to suck your own balls.plus the game is two generations old of course they’ll hit 4k.but the last remaster hit 60fps.if they go for 60fps it’s not going to be native.heard that’s why they are going 30fps.good luck with your weak pspro pony

          • Pops

            Damn how many times they are going to remaster the last of us?thought it was forward compatibleand you weren’t going to have to pay.looks like idiots like you will have to buy this all over again just to see your jaggy upscaled checkerboard 4k.plus it isn’t even going to be60fps.whos sucking their own balls now.good luck with your weak ps pro pony.

          • Allen

            Way to spew lies and disinformation like every weak ass xbot out there!

            It’s a free update, all of the “forward compatible” games are free updates.

        • kma99

          Actually it did get a marginal upgrade they just didnt announce it.

          • Allen

            True but nothing to boast about. Very marginal.

          • kma99

            That’s why they didnt announce it. I know i wouldn’t. The console is already weak why announce that its still weak but .5 percent stronger, such a waste of time.

        • Pops

          the gpu is up clocked.it use to be 800 now its 900something on the xboxS

      • Guest

        Oh, here we go again.
        Ok, so maybe we can compare a PS3 with a XB1?

        Here, it’s about the power. The PS4 pro is like what 3 times more powerful than the XB1s? Even the original PS4 has better GPU than the XB1s.

        • MrSquifler

          We’re not comparing the power though.

          The main selling point for the PS4 Pro is 4K & HDR. Both of which the Xbox One S can already do, we already know the majority of games will not run at a native 4K, it will use a checkerboard method to upscale, the Xbox One S also upscales to 4K, the Pro will also take advantage of HDR, the Xbox One S also uses HDR and the Xbox One S has something the Pro should have, a UHD blu-ray player.

          • Guest

            Original PS4 will be getting HDR and most 4K TVs upscales.
            So original PS4 can be compared to XB1s.

            The thing here is the pro is looking to get 1080p/60fps for most games. There should be games native at 4K but it’ll have low framerate. The XB1s has slight improvements to the original XB1 that struggled to do that.

            “Xbox One S has something the Pro should have, a UHD blu-ray player.”
            That is subjective. They didn’t include the player probably to keep the price down. Would people rather have the PS4 pro at 499 or more and have a lower end UHD 4K player?
            If you are into movies and have invested in a 4K tv, I would say you should probably get an actual 4K player.

            I was with the XB360 when they didn’t include the blu ray drive, I was with the PS4 for not forcing the PS4 camera and I’m with the PS4 pro when they don’t considerably add to the cost of the console just for a non-gaming feature.

          • MrSquifler

            “Original PS4 will be getting HDR and most 4K TVs upscales.
            So original PS4 can be compared to XB1s.” I have not heard anything about this at all.

            And the Pro isn’t looking to get 1080p/60fps, it’s looking to get upscaled 4K. That’s why they featured 4K so heavily.

            It’s not really subjective though, is it? The PS3 had a blu-ray player, the PS4 had a blu-ray player, the Xbox One S managed to have a UHD player and still keep costs down and considering that Sony has a massive stake in the blu-ray industry it is ridiculously stupid of them not to feature it in their new flagship console.

          • Guest

            No, you haven’t because you guys are the one who want to compare the current XB1 version to the PS4 pro. Probably to keep it relevant and make people still buy XB1 before the upcoming Scorpio.
            You are ignoring power and talk of capabilities. So using your logic the original PS4 should be compared to a XB1s.

            It does features. For people with 4K TV, what’s being said is that there will be some games that will be native 4K but the framerate will be low. For most of other games it’ll be upscaled 4K. Other people who don’t have 4K tvs (majority of people) it’ll be better and more stable framerate. You’ll see when the first games comes out…

            “It’s not really subjective though, is it?”
            It is subjective, because Sony decided to put more power (3 times more than the XB1s) and get the cost $50 less than the XB1s with similar HDD. MS decided to keep more or less the same power, just to add a NON-GAMING feature UHD 4K player.
            You and fellow MS “supporter” may prefer to have less power FOR GAMES for a NON-GAMING feature like a UHD 4K player.
            Other people may prefer more power to game on rather than a NON-GAMING feature like a lower end UHD feature.

          • MrSquifler

            There too much stupid in this commen to dissect.

            For example:”you guys are the one who want to compare the current XB1 version to the PS4 pro. Probably to keep it relevant and make people still buy XB1 before the upcoming Scorpio.”.

            I’m not even going to bother, why is it all PlayStation fans act so stupidly and anyone who disagrees with them is automatically a MS “supporter”.

            I didn’t give any hint to being an MS supporter.

          • Guest

            Yeah, as expected. Is this your way of dodging the points?

            “too much stupid”
            So what about the GAMING point is actually stupid?

            “I didn’t give any hint to being an MS supporter”
            Your posting history mostly.

            It’s not about you disagreeing, it’s mostly because you are purposely ignoring a vital point for gaming power. Considering the power, it won’t be able to reach the same native resolution and framerate as the PS4 pro. That’s not matching capabilites…
            An original PS4 with most 4K TV have the same capabilities as the XB1s.

          • MrSquifler

            It wasn’t the gaming point that was stupid, it was you comment.

            What about my posting history makes me a MS supporter?

            But that’s not the point. People are comparing a One S to a Pro because on the surface they do basically the same thing, and right now there is nothing else to compare the Pro to.

          • Guest

            “People are comparing a One S to a Pro because on the surface they do basically the same thing, and right now there is nothing else to compare the Pro to.”
            Looking just at the surface the PS4 pro can have games at 4K native while the XB1s can’t.

            But is comparing just the surface without looking at native resolution and frame rate the smartest way to compare? For around 1 year, the PS4 pro will be the most powerful console. When the Scorpio comes it will be the most powerful console. That’s just how it is.

            Right now in term of possibilities and power, the original PS4 is more powerful than the XB1s so it is more logical to compare the two. If the PS4 pro needs to be compared to another console the original PS4 seems the closest console available.

          • MrSquifler

            You still don’t seem to understand.

            The Pro and the One S are being compared because they have similarities in terms of upscaling and HDR and with one having a UHD player.

            That’s it. How do you not get that?

          • Guest

            Oh but I understand your points and probably why it’s been done.
            Major points are being purposely left out some reason.
            But this is like saying The Ouya and the XB1s can be compared because they have similarities in terms of being able to play games on a TV using a wireless controller with batteries.

            So next year, are you also going to ignore power when it comes to PS4 pro vs Scorpio, because it looks like they’ll be doing the same thing right?

          • MrSquifler

            I’m not trying to make comparisons though, you (I think it was you, your name just says “Guest”) asked why people make the comparison between the Pro and the One S and I answered, then everyone assumed I was on the side of Xbox and that I was making the comparison.

            People will always compare consoles, and right no there is nothing (other than PC which will always win) to compare the Pro to. Seeing as how the Pro and the One S do similar things for similar prices it is logical for people to make that comparison.

          • Guest

            Ok, I understand but all I’m saying is that for me it doesn’t make sense to compare the 2 and ignore the power difference. That makes the whole difference.

          • Pops

            There’s only about two or three ponies here trying to hype their lame ps pro.thats such a down grade in features.they need to come to realization that sony F.ed up

          • Guest

            Oh what do we have here? Another MS fanboy, throwing random insult without making a gaming point…

            Thanks for showing once again what a toxic community it is… :)

          • Allen

            Wrong. The selling point of the PS4 Pro is:

            Enhanced visuals
            Better frame rates
            Better resolutions
            4K Video streaming
            More system stability

            Only $399 and an entire year earlier than the Scorpio that is undoubtedly going to be at least $599 if not $1000. Claiming 4K Native at launch you better bet your ass it’s either going to have sacrifices or be expensive as fuck.

            1 entire year later – we aren’t even 3 years into the gen and we already have a PS4 upgrade. Not a couple years after Scorpio is here we’ll have an even better PlayStation – I think Sony is playing their cards perfectly. The timing will be perfect for them to keep costs low while delivering incredible experiences. I just don’t think the benefits of the Scorpio will be worth the extra money.

          • MrSquifler

            We’re not talking about the Scorptio though.

            Why, every time this discussion is made does someone feel the need to bring up the Scorpio? We are not talking about the Scorpio, you were th eonly person to even mention it.

          • Allen

            Because you are a butt hurt xbox fanboy trying to spew shit on PS4. I am calling it how it is and making sure while you are trying to play this game of yours that Scorpio isn’t some savior.

            PS4 Pro is a fantastic upgrade from the standard PS4 and at $399 this is fucking awesome. The only thing they should have done is put the UHD player in there but once people see how few movies actually come to UHD and if they do any research and find that anyone other than Sony isn’t even capturing in 4K you begin to realize UHD isn’t a big deal (but I will agree. If you are specifically looking for 4K video the Xbox One S is the best deal).

          • MrSquifler

            How am I fanboy? Simply because I disagree with your opinion on your precious PS4 Pro? And how would that make me butt hurt? I already have my consoles and I am very happy with them, you seem to be the butt hurt one.

          • Allen

            Because you are denying all the benefits of PS4 Pro! You literally stuck your head in the sand and are now talking shit about something you don’t know anything about.

            I’ve listed it several times. Your must just be trolling and purposely being this ignorant.

          • MrSquifler

            You haven’t listed anything, you literally listed the games that will be forward compatible with the Pro, that’s it.

            Other than native 4K on some games, what does the Pro do that the One S doesn’t?

          • Allen

            (1) I listed both forward compatible games & games coming soon that have PS4 Pro enhancements.

            (2) Enhancements include (AS ALREADY LISTED):

            -Graphical upgrades
            -Better frames per second
            -Resolution upgrade
            -Overall more stability (ie. BF4 which does dip from 60fps online will be more stable on PS4 Pro).

            It has more power. How do you not know what the benefits of more power is going to be?

            Each game I listed has their own thing but the jist is better graphics, better frames, better resolution & more stable platform.

            (3) You really should be comparing the Xbox One S to the PS4 Slim because that’s a more accurate comparison. The original PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One S. Xbox is the weakest core platform.

          • MrSquifler

            You didn’t list the enhancements before, only the games.

            But obviously I knew the added benefits of extra power, but we aren’t comparing power, why would we? If a PS4 is more powerful obviously the Pro would be as well.

            Why would we compare the Slim to the One S? The slim has almost no added benefits at all. The reason the Pro and the Slim are compared is because they both do similar things! How many times does this need to be said.

            The Pro upscales to 4K – The One S upscales to 4K
            The Pro uses HDR – The One S uses HDR
            The Pro doesn’t have a UHD player – The One S had a UHD player.

            And what else are people going to compare it to? The Scorpio isn’t out yet and we know very little about it.

          • Allen

            3 HOURS AGO AND RIGHT ABOVE THESE COMMENTS

            “Wrong. The selling point of the PS4 Pro is:

            Enhanced visuals
            Better frame rates
            Better resolutions
            4K Video streaming
            More system stability”

          • MrSquifler

            You’re right, my bad. But there is so many comments from PS4 fans it’s hard to keep track.

          • Coffee High

            Did you notice all those selling points are subjective? Enhanced visuals, except by those developers who wont enhance their games, Better frame rates, except online which will be locked to 30fps, better resolutions, except for games that do not offer them and televisions that won’t support them, 4k video streaming except when streamed from any source as they are restricted by network and data usage. Not a pretty picture. I’d like PS4 to be successful but selling more system stability as a major improvement sounds like the other PS4 versions are unstable like windows 8 was or something. I guess that’s why they included these *when and where available footnotes on all their bullet points.

          • Allen

            lol all your comments are full of bull shit! I will have to wait until tomorrow to tear the other two apart but I’ll take care of this one right now.

            (1) My selling points are not subjective at all. They are the facts listed out already. You would have to be a blind xbot to be running away in denial from the facts listed in the announcements.

            (2) “Enhanced visuals, except those who won’t enhance their games. AHEM – AGAIN – I bring to you the list of games. Just because every single game won’t have enhancements that doesn’t mean anything. If this list of launch games doesn’t excite you then don’t get it. I’m sure Sony won’t miss your sale…PS4 Slim would be for you then.

            Released games “forward compatible”:

            Call of Duty: Black Ops 3
            Deus Ex: Mankind Divided
            Infamous: First Light
            Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor
            Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End
            The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited
            The Last of Us: Remastered
            The Witness
            Paragon

            Upcoming games:

            Battlefield 1 – October 28
            Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare – November 4
            Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered – November 4
            Days Gone – 2017
            Dishonored 2 – November 11
            Farpoint (PlayStation VR) – TBD 2016
            FIFA 17 – September 27
            Final Fantasy 15 – November 29
            For Honor – February 14, 2017
            Ghost Recon: Wildlands – March 7, 2017
            Horizon: Zero Dawn – February 28, 2017
            Killing Floor 2 – November 18
            Mass Effect: Andromeda – Early 2017
            Rise of the Tomb Raider – October 11
            Spider-Man – TBD
            Steep – December 2
            Titanfall 2 – October 28
            Watch Dogs 2 – November 15

            (3) “Better frame rates except online games limited to 30fps”

            lol do you know dumb that made you look!?
            (A) MANY PS4 games are 60fps online. Battlefield, Call of Duty, Battlefront, The Last of Us, Killzone & many many others.
            (B) Whatever the frame rates are it is certain that the more power the PS4 Pro offers will help ensure more stable frame rates.

            (4) “Better resolutions, except for games that do not offer them and televisions that won’t support them”

            Again – looking like a fool.

            (A) Again – take a look at the list.
            (B) I do believe that all games will be upscaled to 4K so…
            (C) Those televisions that don’t support 4K can enjoy 1080p & 60FPS or they can enjoy enhanced visuals.

            (5) “4k video streaming except when streamed from any source as they are restricted by network and data usage”

            What even is this BS!? lol – sure it can stream 4K…but not by anyone that doesn’t offer 4K! LMAO like Xbox can some how make a site that doesn’t do 4K.

            (6) “Not a pretty picture”

            no…not through some blind ignorant fanboys eyes like you that relies on lies and disinformation. lol, thanks for the laughs.

          • Coffee High

            It will be okay, it’s not your fault PS4 pro is a failure out of the gate. It’s not your fault its the laughing stock of the press, it’s not your fault Sony brainwashed you into thinking you have to defend them because their product is inferior to their alleged competition (PC). It’s not your fault Japanese websites are trashing the pro and hoping third party exclusive Persona 5 somehow saves Sony from collapse.
            It’s not your fault.
            It will be okay.
            PlayStation will survive.
            Please quit crying.

          • Allen

            The PS4 and PS4 slim also use HDR and the benefits will be seen in those forward compatible games and the games to come as listed.

            All you really need to say is “Xbox One S is a UHD player”. Wow! Doesn’t mean anything. Xbox One S is still the weakest core platform with resolutions as low as 720p same as my 9 year old PS3 Phat.

          • MrSquifler

            The PS4 doesn’t use HDR yet.

            And so what if it plays at 720p? You could have it upscaled to 4K…..

          • Allen

            lol

          • Coffee High

            One year away…. Remember that. Technology is constantly evolving, constantly improving and constantly getting cheaper. What if, next year, Microsoft releases exact specifications for Scorpio after all the future improvements to technology and, by that time it has become so common for pcs to do 8 teraflops that the cost to include it becomes negligible? The main reason no specs have been released is because a year is a long time. Could Scorpio come out with double the intended power and cost less than Xbox one S? Easily. Remember that a 1tb hdd cost $200 not that long ago, now it sells for less than $50 What is Project Scorpio? Nobody knows yet but everyone wants to compare it to what they know right now, which is nothing. what is PS4 Pro? A joke to PC gamers who hear Sony claim they are competing in their market and to Xbox fanboys who see it as barely an upgrade to the PS4 and $100 more than an Xbox one S with less features.

          • Allen

            New consoles were announced 2 1/2 years after their launch. It’s going to be 1 1/2 years before the Scorpio launches from it’s announcement date & an entire year after PS4 Pro launch.

            So in 1 1/2 to 2 years we may be PS5 or whatever announcement and surely that will beat Scorpio. Sony is playing cards perfectly. $399 PS4 Pro – more power..right now. Giving some to 4K users but not too much in order to keep costs down and it’s negligible because not everyone has a 4K TV.

            By the time PS5 is here a lot more people will have 4KTV’s & Sony will be in a much better position to again underscore Microsofts efforts.

            A year head start, better price tag, millions of gamers who’s friends have to buy what they have in order to game with them.

            Looks like Microsoft is about to learn Sony’s lesson from the PS3 launch.

          • Coffee High

            I hope you are wrong. I would hate to see the Playstation replaced every two years like a cell phone. What wouldbe the point in buying throwaway technology… At least a phone is small and the screen breaks, giving you some excuse to upgrade every two years. A console is large and rarely breaks down. It makes no sense if I can just buy a pc and upgrade the obsolete bits rather than chucking the whole thing in the garbage when PS5, 5Pro, PS6, and 6Pro come along. Will console gamers fall for it? Probably… After all they buy season passes and pay to win games.

          • Allen

            You hope I am wrong? It’s already a reality…it’s here…for both PlayStation and Xbox.

            The whole point of PS4 Pro is that it is AN OPTIONAL UPGRADE. We are still looking at the same console cycles but for those with more money, for those that want features like 4K, updated graphics or 60fps – the PS4 Pro is here.

          • Pops

            You are so right.these ponies are butt hurt

        • Chewy Cuellar

          You are dumb. We are comparing the ps4 pro to xbox one slim wich os even weaker than the xbox scorpio. Sony fanboys are funny ignorants. I owe every console, I know what im talking about, before you talk no sense like any sony fanboy

          • Guest

            oh boy, here comes the immature MS fanboys with insults and no gaming arguments.

            Thanks for showing us what a toxic community it is…

          • Coffee High

            All you all are fanboys! “guest” has been shouting how great ps4 pro is and how crappy Xbox is until now. Neither is superior, neither is inferior. Live with the fact that they both have their benefits and move on. Shouting things doesn’t change peoples minds and you just come off like a damn evangelist on a street corner yelling about how god will punish you unless you are reborn! You scare people away. I will not buy a PS4 Pro because it is not worth the upgrade from the current model. I will wait for Scorpio, but won’t buy it if it doesn’t live up to expectations. Has anyone here changed my opinions about anything?
            One thing! Sony was right in not allowing cross platform play. You idiots would ruin online gaming.

          • Guest

            “”guest” has been shouting how great ps4 pro is and how crappy Xbox”
            What the fuck are you talking about?? Why do you guys keep making baseless accusations and lie about me?

            Please QUOTE ME where I said Xbox was crappy. If you don’t want a PS4 pro don’t get it. If you prefer XB1s or Scorpio just get those, I don’t really care.

            You just come here, with false accusation and insult me for NO reason.
            What a toxic community…

          • Coffee High

            Aren’t you “guest” that called microsoft fanboys out? You expose your idiocy. If you don’t want to be accused of being “guest” who shouts about Xbox being the best, or “guest” who shouts about Sony being greater, then post with your real user name and quit hiding your identity behind an anonymous moniker. You cant be offended when you hide behind a generic sign in and don’t stand for anything except your toxic community slogan that will never become slightly as popular as you wish it will. Toxic community… Nobody has died here… Non toxic.

          • Guest

            Yes, I call out MS fanboys out, think of me as the dark knight. I just post as guest. My user name is not important, what is actually being posted and the points made is what’s important for me.
            Seriously what would you gain if I post with a random user name? Why can’t you just read the gaming points being made?
            Please tell me what it will change. I don’t mind creating an account but will anything change?

            On a side, not I don’t shout “Console 1 is the best or “Company 1 is the greater”, because there is no such a thing. These are subjective. And I don’t debate subjective stuff.

            “our toxic community slogan that will never become slightly as popular as you wish it will.”
            Oh, but I don’t wish to be popular. Neither me nor my slogans.

            It’s not about people dying, its about people disrupting the flow of a conversation with insults and/or random false accusation or with bs offtopic remarks that kills the flow of a conversation and brings negativity in the community… :)

          • Coffee High

            As I thought, afraid to stand up for yourself. You keep hiding from the world you pathetic excuse for a human. I will continue to exercise my right to free speech and not hide behind a crowd or shout my opinions while hiding inside of a cardboard box.
            As for the story itself, one of the guys who created the most disappointing and broken game on PS4 is claiming the Pro power is underestimated by the world at large. Probably said it to kiss Sony’s butt so they will consider publishing his future games. This is like asking a high school cheerleader what it’s like to be the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. Ask someone who is actually making good games for pro, not a failed, fired developer. I’d rather see what Square has to say, 3rd party, successful, currently porting Tomb Raider and FF15 to pro. How do they feel about the power (or lack of)?

          • Guest

            Right… so you could not tell me what would you and other people would gain if I post with a random user name (like Coffee High). You haven’t said what I would gain.

            Instead of having a civilised discussion, all you did was show your level of maturity by throwing more unprovoked personal attacks like ” you pathetic excuse for a human”.

            I don’t mind using a disqus account but I don’t see why bother. I have the freedom and aotf allows anonymous posts, so I have the right to use it. If you can’t handle it, it’s your problem. Deal with it.

            The rest of your post is full of subjective opinions.

            But you asked what I thought of the power of the PS4 pro.
            You know what? I’d rather listen to what a dev (working with the hardware) has to say than some “coffee” guy whose post shows his preference to Sony’s rival (MS).
            Regarding the power they announced, I think it’s impressive. More than 2 times the GPU power of the original and 3 times more than the MS’s most powerful console currently available. I think that’s not bad.
            ofc we’ll see when it releases…

          • Coffee High

            Not what we would gain. What you would gain. Several people post as “guest” do you want your opinion to be heard as your opinion or to be grouped into a mass of conflicting opinions from other “guests” that use the anonymous moniker to shout racial slurs and threaten people? They hide behind “guest” so not to ruin their true reputation. I’d like to think you are better than that.
            “The rest is full of subjective opinions”… That’s what a comments section is for. Actually, fact, driveclub was broken and disappointing, fact, he did get his butt fired. I really do hope Sony survives, but even the Japanese press is doubting Sony, even saying “will Persona5 save Sony?” Pro was a mistake, they should have waited and brought out an Xbox killer a month before the Scorpio release date.

          • Guest

            That’s actually a valid point. I know that some immature troll post as “Guest” sometimes and impersonate me by trying to mimic my posting style while posting rubbish. For me, all that doesn’t matter or bother me as I always consider that my point is what matter not me the person. But I do get your point and understand how it can be frustating for people who don’t know and want to try and debate me. So yeah, I’ll use a disqus account…

            Next, I don’t debate with subjective opinions. I understand you may have opinion that differ from other people.

            “Actually, fact, driveclub was broken and disappointing, fact,”
            Driveclub had problems at launch, yes. But disappointing remains an opinion. It got mixed reviews. An average metacritic score in the 70s and part of that was because it had network problems at launch. Overall it is not a fact.

            I’m not sure what you’re talking about when you mentioned Persona 5.

            But again you come with subjective points.
            You think it wasn’t? I don’t think it was. I think it was a great move. I have my reasons for thinking that. I really don’t know or can’t predict what will happen with the Scorpio because I just don’t have enough information about it at the moment.
            Why don’t we wait and see what happens? First, how well PS4 pro does and then, E3 2017 or whenever more details about scorpio are given…

      • cd

        i played on an xbox one s if anything its pretty much on par with the standard ps4 it should have been the xbox one from the get go other than it has a UHD blu ray player and can upscale videos to 4k other than that its an xbox one, when scorpio arrives i feel bad for ppl who have the standard xbox one because it will be obselete whereas with the ps4 pro the standard ps4 will still be relevant because ps4 is a pretty solid console i’ve had mine since launch and its still like new and has VR support for those that want VR, xbox one S dont even have that, im not getting the pro myself my ps4 is 2TB and its fine not gonna fix what aint broken if you know what i mean games already look amazing on it, 4K and all that BS is a cash grab to me, but at least ppl with ps4s have other options 1080p or 900p to 1080p looks awesome to me, im content and the recent OS update sony sent out is awesome. since my experience with the 360 breaking down for no reason, the 360 S im leary about reliabilty with xboxes, but hey at least i gave an xbox a try, just isnt the same as a PS and PS has more variety than xbox and has my favorite franchise, FF whereas the xbox lacks.

      • cd

        and i just upgraded to a 32in vizio D series HDTV from a 19in i’ve had for 4 years, and man the games look even better so im content, 4k im not ready for yet just got a new TV and it has an excellent picture, 4K tvs maybe 5 years down the line, but atm 4k not for me entirely too much because its new and i dont see as much as a jump from HD to 4K as i did SD to HD which i could tell between night and day, 4Ks only see minor improvements if im like 2 feet away from the TV and its silly to use that as an excuse to pay at least 400$-500$ just for that difference.

        • MrSquifler

          I agree. I’m not going to 4K until my current TV is on its way out. (And I don’t see that happening any time soon, it’s 5 years old and still works flawlessly)

          But I don’t see the jump from HD to UHD being as substantial as the jump for SD to HD was.

      • C. Hoffer

        Ahh..what? Sure they have similar features but the One/S are very inferior devices.
        The S is lipstick on a pig. I just placed an order for the 1TB One S. I will play Gears and a couple other M$ only games on it and it will be gone when the Scorpio is released. That doesn’t make it anything close to similar. Sure they both play games but one of them is way more powerful and capable than the other.

        Just a reminder…
        – the original One and S are only 70% of the original PS4. Horsepower counts when generating images.
        – the Pro is ~300+% more powerful than the S.
        – Scoprio will be ~40+% more powerful than the Pro.

        • MrSquifler

          I’ve already explained why they are similar and why they are compared, as have hundreds of other people. It’s not hard to figure out.

    • Sexy Mcgee

      You don’t have to be a MS fanboy to realize that a console that can’t even perform as well as it’s predecessor because of the res hike and without any additional improvements to graphics is extremely underwhelming and disappointing. In fact, you’d have to be a brand name whore to still keep licking Sony’s balls after the Pro reveal.

      BTW, check my post history from a year or more ago or ask efnet (who’s a self admitted xbox fanboy) and you’ll see what a massive Sony fanboy I was before they turned to shit.

      • Guest

        Wait, I didn’t get what you’re saying. So is the XB1s or the original PS4 as powerful as the PS4 pro?

        “check my post history from a year or more ago”
        Ok, why don’t you show it?

        • Sexy Mcgee

          Um, do you know what predecessor means? I’m not surprised you don’t. Also, I didn’t say it’s not as powerful I said that its misuse of power is making it underperform.

          You can easily click on my user name and scroll down to posts that are even around the time of the Neo leak and you’ll see how excited I was for it.

          • Guest

            My original post was the comparison between the XB1s and the PS4 pro, not about the PS4 and the PS4 pro.
            Right now, the console is not even out and you are already talking about “misuse of power” and how it performs badly. LOL

            I can easily click on your user name, except that you decided to hide your posting history. :)

          • Sexy Mcgee

            No, your original post was claiming that anyone who calls PS4 Pro out for the POS that it is is a fanboy. I’m saying that people have legitimate reason to be disappointed with it and what Sony are doing with it.
            I’m not the one who talks about how it performs badly, Digital Foundry are. If their tests show that COD runs shittier on PS4 Pro than on the original PS4 that’s cause for concern
            Privacy setting unlocked so you can see how I would come down on people who would shit talk PS4 around launch or Neo when it was leaked.

          • Guest

            “No, your original post was claiming that anyone who calls PS4 Pro out for the POS that it is is a fanboy. I’m saying that people have legitimate reason to be disappointed with it and what Sony are doing with it.”
            I said “most of them are MS “fans””. I’m not sure what part of that you didn’t understand. I didn’t say anyone disappointed are fanboys but most here are.

            Did you read the entire DF article or did you just pick and choose and make a generality based on a single line? Either way the test was done on a gameplay video of a game that’s still in development, it’s kinda stupid to base conclusion just right now, why can’t you wait for actual games?

            I went to 10 months back and searched “neo” or “PS4K” but I couldn’t find much. But tell me one thing what are you so upset about? Reading your post you don’t really gives a fuck about 4K. We knew going by rumours that this was going to be around 4 teraflops. Sony arleady talked of the improvements that this will bring to people who owns a regular HD TV. You have been complaining long before the DF article.

          • Sexy Mcgee

            The video test you’re talking about is of the one from September 7 Pro single player reveal. The article I linked to is based on the EGX MP gameplay. Either way it’s not looking good for PS4 Pro.

            I haven’t been complaining since LONG before the DF article. I only started complaining after the September 7 reveal.

            The thing I’m upset about is that Sony are pushing the 4k thing to sell TVs instead of 1080p60 ultra that fans have been asking for for years now. The improvements they’ve talked about and shown are, outside of supersampling, almost non existent for 1080p users. The supersampling thing isn’t even an enhancement because as the COD tests show PS4 Pro can’t even handle 2k without a performance hit. And mind you that’s without any other graphical enhancements over the 1080p version.

      • Coffee High

        Same here, used to sing the praises of the PS3 over Xbox, then I played an xbox 360. It wasn’t bad after all! I turned against Sony during the great identity theft of 2012 when my card info got stolen and used. They took a whole week to alert customers and only did so because the government forced them to. They gave us a free crappy game and one month of ps plus for our “inconvenience” and that made it all better. Water under the bridge, I only use prepaid cards with Sony nowdays. Xbox and Nintendo also burned me at times, but have always made up for it. xbox one today is not the Xbox one of E3 2013. Let’s also not forget the heavily documented attempts to make things right during red ring of death in 2006 to 2010. They would have lost less money by killing the xbox 360, leaving the console business, and giving refunds to 8 million people than by continuing to replace units via fed ex like they did.
        I support both systems (Wii u sucks) and want both to succeed, and the upcoming Nintendo NX as well, because competition creates innovation and all consumers win when they all try to out do each other.

  • Guester

    I don’t know why they keep advertising 4k. Just say it will play everything 1080p 60 frames. Remove 30 fps gaming permanently. Then wait for the ps5 for the 4k stuff.

  • Sexy Mcgee

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-hands-on-with-cod-infinite-warfare-on-ps4-pro

    “right now the performance drops on PS4 Pro are more noticeable than they are on the original PS4.”

    If seeing is believing, I believe the Pro is extremely underwhelming.

    • That sucks!

    • Naberios

      That article is 100% MP maps. Sony already said there’d be NO framerate bump to MP so that there would be no advantage for players playing on a Pro vs. standard PS4. Jesus man, if you want to point out issues with the system, fine. But posting shit like that makes you look like a blind, ignorant, true-fanboy.

      • Sexy Mcgee

        Um, Sony said there would be no framerate bump but they didn’t say there would be a framerate dump. THAT’s what the post is about.

        • Naberios

          They didn’t give numbers. What they said was that it appeared to be more significant of a fps hit, but #1)they pointed out it was completely different maps and #2)the fact that the game does push more resolution even in MP could make and exact identical fps hit LOOK worse than it does on the other hardware.

          I don’t know what the numbers will be once this all gets tested, but you’re making it seem like that entire article was bashing a known fact that the Pro version was running worse than the non-Pro version. When what you’re talking about was like one sentence & it was speculation and not fact as they had no actual data to show one way or another (oh, and the completely different maps thing).

          • Sexy Mcgee

            They said nothing about the resolution bump giving an appearance of bigger frame drops. That wouldn’t happen and that’s not how it works. However, the frame drops actually do happen BECAUSE of the bump to resolution and because the hardware can’t handle it. In the video version of the article they even emphasize how much more noticeable the frame drops are on PS4 Pro compared to the standard PS4.

  • Dennis

    Well, if I understand it right, and correct me if I’ve misunderstood – but no matter how great the graphics look, Sony has stated they will *lock* the frame rate to be on par with the ‘regular’ PS4.

    So, they want us to by a proverbial Ferrari, but then keep it tied to the same speed limit as the rest?

    Seeing will be believing, but if I buy one damnit, don’t you DARE lock the frame rate…I’ll put it in a blendtec blender on youtube.

    For me, I’m gonna have to ‘wait and see’ – it’d not be the first time things were overblown by both Fangirls and corporations alike.

    • Guest

      They will have same frame rate for multiplayer only. MS said they’ll be doing the same thing with Scorpio. http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2016/06/14/there-wouldnt-be-a-frame-rate-difference-between-xbox-one-and-scorpio-says-microsofts-shannon-lofits.aspx

      They are doing the same thing with a game like KI between XB1 and PC. This is what MS said “A good example is Killer Instinct, which is cross-play on PC and Xbox One. We have locked the frame rate to 60 frames per second, We could do better on super high end PCs, but that ruins the competitive nature of it.”

      • Dennis

        Sweet- 60 frames is more than good enough for me.

        • MrSquifler

          But we don’t know how many if any games will have 60fps and 4K, I believe.

          • Dennis

            Nobody does…anyone who claims differently needs to prove it by giving me the winning lottery numbers for the next 6 months. Will split..lol

          • MrSquifler

            Ha. Exactly.

          • Dennis

            :)

  • jdc88

    This is all I’m gonna say..

    Ps4 pro and Xbox 1 S are pretty much neck and neck on terms of what they can do. Now if Scorpio comes out and turns out to be a substantial upgrade from Xbox 1S, then that means lll be an upgrade and more powerful than Ps4 Pro..

    But in the very end it all boils down to GAMES. Right now I rather play Ps4 exclusives more than Xbox. Thought I am excited for Gears of War 4

    • Guest

      “Ps4 pro and Xbox 1 S are pretty much neck and neck on terms of what they can do. Now if Scorpio comes out and turns out to be a substantial upgrade from Xbox 1S, then that means lll be an upgrade and more powerful than Ps4 Pro..”
      So right now, we should ignore or not consider the difference in power between XB1s and PS4 pro. (GPU: around 3 times more teraflops)
      But when the scorpio comes we should consider the difference in power? (GPU: around 1.45 times more teraflops) LOL

    • MrSquifler

      You can’t say that here, you’ll be crucified.

  • GK15

    It’ll still produce some very fine games. And the first party games will still be awesome.

    Just seems to be a bit pale in comparison to the much more powerful Scorpio which is right around the corner.

    • Mr Xrat

      “Right around the corner” = 12 long, difficult months.

      With fewer asteriskes. Wow!

    • Guest

      “Scorpio which is right around the corner.”
      LOL

      • GK15

        Is that not accurate? Try not to be so salty lol

        • Guest

          Yeah, most probably more than 12 months is right around the corner.
          That’s some great subjective sales argument right there. That’s like the “we have the best games” argument. LOL

          You’re a good salesman. :)

          • GK15

            Ok fine, 12 months. Still not that long. And XB1-S is perfectly fine to hold me over til Scorpio.

            So I guess being an Xbox fan is considered being a salesman these days? Lmao! Ok

            You seem extra salty lately

          • Guest

            “So I guess being an Xbox fan is considered being a salesman these days?”
            No, it’s the way you post.

            1) This is a topic about PS4 pro’s power.
            So what do you do?
            2) You start selling the MS Scorpio using subjective salesman-like arguments “fine and awesome” games, “much more powerful” and “right around the corner” referring to 12 months period.

            3) When you are told that your “right around the corner” is referring to 12 months period, you decide to sell another MS product the XB1s. LOL
            The PS4 pro has around 3 times more GPU power than the XB1s, but yeah ignore that and talk about MS’s products in a PS4 pro article…

            Sorry, but you just sound like a salesman. It’s just the way you post, promote MS products, damage control MS’s negative policies, never fault MS but criticise the competition and change opinion depending on what MS’s strategies.

            But don’t worry, you’re doing a good job as a salesman. That’s a complement. :)

            Extra salty? Do you know the meaning of salty? Why should be salty about anything? I’m laughing at your salesman tactics… LOL

          • GK15

            Wow, I guess exposing you as such a biased hater has completely driven you insane.

            You’ve resorted to calling me names off of your own mental, biased opinions and antagonizing me for days now. Take a minute to think of how crazy that is. I guess you HAVE sunk as low as Mr Xrat at this point.

            Sad really.

            And sorry, but I was giving my honest opinion. I said PS4Pro will still play some great games. It just pales a bit knowing the much more powerful Scorpio is coming next year, which it is.

            If you don’t believe me just rewatch the reveal. I don’t think anyone clapped at all when they unveiled the Pro. Fact or no?

            And I have both criticized MS and praised Sony in the past. But I’m an Xbox fan so that’s the console I prefer. But no point explaining that to you.

            You’ve gotten wayyy too sensitive about this stuff if you think I’m trying to sell Xbox stuff lol. Wayyy too sensitive

          • Guest

            “Wow, I guess exposing you as such a biased hater”
            LOL when was that!!! ha ha ha Did you quote me trashing the XB?

            “And sorry, but I was giving my honest opinion. I said PS4Pro will still play some great games. It just pales a bit knowing the much more powerful Scorpio is coming next year.”
            I’m not denying that the scorpio will be more powerful though. I laughed at how you made 1 year sound as “around the corner”. “Much more powerful” is a subjective opinion. Some may consider a 30% more power “MUCH more powerful” others will consider it “more powerful”.

            “If you don’t believe me just rewatch the reveal. I don’t think anyone clapped at all when they unveiled the Pro.”
            Are you serious? This is not a press conference with screaming fans. This is a console announced to the media. I’m not sure what was your point but we’ll see how popular it’ll be when it comes out…

          • GK15

            You can be seen antagonizing Xbox fans in almost any given article on this site. Also overly sensitive if people are happy about Xbox or criticize PlayStation at all. Been exposing you for days. Everyone knows how you are but I guess that just makes you a troll at this point.

            And it might be a year off, but it’s apparently enough to steal a bit of the PS4Pro’s thunder. Hence the topic of the article and hence why my comment is relevant.

            6TF vs 4.2TF. A difference of 1.8TF. That’s 30% of the Scorpio or 43% of the PS4Pro. There’s basically a 1.8TF, PS4 sized gap between Scorpio and PS4Pro. Some might consider that much more powerful.

            Are you that ignorant to think the press don’t clap and make noise at events?? They do it at every keynote I’ve ever seen. You’re baselessly defending Sony here. No one is surprised ?

          • Guest

            One thing I do is fight back if someone is attacking me. You did it 2 times recently even though I didn’t provoke you.
            If my opinions and facts that I put out hurt certain people and these people feel the need to attack me, I’ll reply.
            I also have my beliefs. If someone will say “We should not consider or ignore the difference in power between the PS4 pro and the XB1s” and then turns around and say “We should consider the difference in power between the Scorpio and the PS4 pro”, then they aren’t being sincere and I just want to expose the incoherence.

            “6TF vs 4.2TF. A difference of 1.8TF. That’s 30% of the Scorpio or 43% of the PS4Pro. There’s basically a PS4 sized gap between Scorpio and PS4Pro. Some might consider that much more powerful.”
            True. Thats what I said.

            “Are you that ignorant to think the press don’t clap and make noise at events?? They do it at every keynote I’ve ever seen. You’re baselessly defending Sony here. No one is surprised”
            Are you that stupid to make conclusion based on the reaction of few gaming journalist? We’ve seen mad cheering for the kinect 2.0 during the reveal. It doesn’t mean it was a success 3 years down the line as MS is hardly talking about it.
            What? Where have I defended Sony? All I said is let’s wait and see how popular it is when it comes out. Can you do that?

          • MrSquifler

            You can’t communicate with these people. If you so much as disagree with their opinion about PS or even look at an Xbox you are their target for hours.

            They shame the entire community, not just the ones they supposedly support.

          • Guest

            There we go again.
            I found “Scorpio is right around the corner.” funny since it is probably coming in more than 12 months period and now you start attacking me?

            Can’t I find something funny? What a community…

          • MrSquifler

            Attacking you? I made a comment, don’t be so sensitive, but it is coming in 12 months, this much has already been confirmed…..

            And if you want to play the “attack” card you could make the argument that you attacked the original poster, you “LOL” in all caps could easily be perceived as aggressive.

          • Guest

            You said I’m bringing shame to the gaming community and for what? Because I found something funny? LOL

          • MrSquifler

            Did I specifically say *you* were shaming the entire community? Don’t be so narcissistic.

          • Guest

            I was the only one having a conversation with him so it was direct reference to a community that included me. Are you going to deny that?

          • MrSquifler

            Yes, I was referring to the entire PS community, not including you. I was trying to save him the time because it was very possible other PS “fanboys” were going to jump on him just like they have other commenters.

          • GK15

            So true. Glad it’s just as obvious to everyone else as it is to me.

            Game on ?

          • Guest

            Glad it’s just as obvious to every XB supporter as it is to me.*

          • GK15
          • MrSquifler

            The sad thing is, it always seems to be the PlayStation community that does this far more often.

            Every community has its bad eggs, but it seems more prevalent in the PS community.

          • Guest

            “it always seems to be the PlayStation community that does this far more often.”
            Right. It’s seems so if we are ignoring the likes of
            1) Pops with “its going to shit on pspro”, “two or three ponies here trying to hype their lame ps pro”, “.these ponies are butt hurt” (that you upvoted)
            2) Chewy Cuellar with “the ps4 is boring, shitty servers and anoying controllers”, “sony fanboys will always deffend their ignorance”, “You are dumb.”
            3) Sexy Mcgee with “you’d have to be a brand name whore to still keep licking Sony’s balls after the Pro reveal”
            4) Coffee High with “You idiots would ruin online gaming.”

          • MrSquifler

            You’re taking this one thread as an example for the entire community?

          • Guest

            I’m talking of this one topic on this one site because I post most of my comments here. If you are talking about the entire worldwide community of gamers then I don’t know. From what I have seen there seem to be more crazy fanboys like crapgamer, dreyer smit, Mooch… But then, just like you it’s just an opinion…

          • MrSquifler

            Who are Dreyer Smit, Mooch and crapgamer?

            And I am talking about the entire PS community, in my experience they are overall, worse than the rest.

          • Guest

            These guys are well known MS fanboys. Crapgamer is famous for having trashed Phil Spencer when they announced that QB was coming on PC.

            Yeah, and I was talking of my own experience, I think overall MS fanboys are the worse. But both of us are only giving our opinion based on our experience.

          • MrSquifler

            Are they really that “well known”? I’ve never heard of them until now.

            And by Crapgamer do you mean PCGamer?

          • Guest

            They are known in the youtube community. All these guys along with guys like
            TimDog have youtube channels with a large number of followers.

            Crapgamer made news when MS announced QB on PC:
            https://www.nowgamer.com/phil-spencer-just-bitch-slapped-those-gamers-that-have-a-serious-case-of-the-wah-wah-wahs/

            No one should support these fanboys no matter what. The problem is when regular fans support them just because they trash the opposite companies… I think supporting a fanboy makes that person a fanboy too…

          • MrSquifler

            I still have no idea who you are talking about and yet you are insinuating that I am supporting them.

          • Guest

            I never insinuated that you support them. How can I? You don’t even know them and I was explaining to you who they were…

            I was simply saying that people in general should not support a fanboy trolling no matter who they support. If the gaming community can do that these people won’t thrive.

            Anyway, I think I’m done with this topic. I’ll try not to respond anymore…
            Bye…

          • Allen

            lol you are absolutely wrong dude. Look if you really are trying to have a respectful conversation then I will tone it done.

            NOW THOUGH – I still don’t believe you aren’t a troll. You keep denying the benefits of PS4 Pro. You keep mentioning Scorpio then ragging on me for mentioning Scorpio. You ignore the things I say about PS4 Pro. You downplay PS4 Pro’s abilities and thus insinuate that Scorpio will not have any problems at all.

            Xbox fans are BY FAR THE WORST.

            (1) They almost ruined the gaming industry and perhaps all of entertainment with support of worthless Xbox Live.

            Just imagine if every computer be it hand held, mac, PC, gaming or business made you pay for a subscription just for the right to access the internet browser and basic apps on the device you already paid for.

            (2) They outright lie & constantly spew hate where none is warranted. Take PS4 Pro announcement as the perfect example. Just because 4K gaming is expensive and Sony is opting for an affordable console…learning from the mistakes of the PS3 launch.

            PS4 Pro has some native 4K games. It has options for 1080p & 60fps in others, it has a lot more power than the PS4 which is already more powerful than the Xbox One.

            The way the trolls have come out and talked shit about PS4 Pro when knowing nothing about it is exactly the type of BS I’m talking about and just like dude said above they are very offensive about it.

            (3) When you approach an xbox fanboy with facts they always (A) Run (B) Lie or continue to spew disinformation (C) Start name calling

            ***And by name calling I don’t mean calling someone acting like a kid a kid. I mean like “Go ride some of that cock you Pony” or other obscene thing.

            To me…don’t wan’t to be called a bitch then don’t act like a bitch. You have not so I have not called you out.

            You are hard to read. You act like you are non biased and respectable but then you play dumb about facts that have been announced officially.

            So – are you a troll or can you hold a respectable conversation?

          • MrSquifler

            “So – are you a troll or can you hold a respectable conversation?” Have you been reading your own comments? You are one of the many people that is dragging the PS name through the dirt.

          • Allen

            Ha! You mean battling the lies and disinformation spewed by jealous xbots with no leg to stand on.

            I will not sit by and allow it. Because I am a gaming fanboy and know a shit ton more about gaming than most the community I am labeled a troll.

            Well if a few simple truths hurt you enough to call me a troll then who is the real troll? (I do not mean you specifically – I am labeled a Sony fanboy when I am a true gamer and can play pretty much every game ever made between my PC/PS4/PS3 Phat/Wii/WiiU & will be getting my first Xbox this year for my own convenience – heeding my own words about not limiting myself – you see I am not a troll – just a defender of disinformation who does happen to enjoy PlayStation the best).

            I will respond to any troll and that’s what I thought you were. I told you, I will give you a chance to prove to me that you are not a troll so I have toned down my reply and am asking you for your stance on things – respectably.

          • GK15

            In my opinion, I have to agree.

            Every gaming community has their bad apples, but from my own personal experience they have the worst.

            Sock accounts, endless petitions, disgusting trolls, stalking and harassing other fans, death threats to devs and the tomb raider actress… just terrible.

          • MrSquifler

            Exactly. I have posted things on PS Reddit and received hate, I have posted on PC and Xbox Reddit and get nothing close to what I get on PS.

            The same goes for YouTube comments, Twitter and the like. On the whole the PS community seems to be worse.

  • Pops

    its funny how the devs that made a game exclusive for sony are the only ones that tring to hype that lame upgrade to ps4.cant wait for that 6 terabyte beast scorpio

  • Mr Xrat

    All I see is good stuff from people who have used it and bitter tears from Xgimps. Who to believe?

  • GK15

    Dude c’mon. You baselessly defended Sony by saying no one made noise because it was a press only event. That doesn’t make any sense. Also got defensive when I said much more powerful console. Which we’ve now apparently agreed is an ok way to describe it. Which to some people, it is.

    Just don’t try to act objective when we all know you really aren’t. That’s all.

    I’m sure PS4Pro will be a success. Playstation has a very strong worldwide brand and fan base. They also have some great exclusives. I’m actually a very big Naughty Dog fan. And the new God of War and Horizon look great.

    I’m being completely honest when I say I would definitely get a PS4 as a side console if I had more time. I just don’t even have enough time to play all the games I have already. And because I’m an Xbox fan, Xbox comes first. No hate, that’s just my preference.

    I can respect your preferences as well.

    • Guest

      “You baselessly defended Sony by saying no one made noise because it was a press only event. That doesn’t make any sense.”
      Nope, I just pointed out the difference between a an announcement at E3 with screaming fans and a much smaller closed conference with gaming journalists. You can’t deny there is a difference.
      Also I didn’t get the point as to how the level of decibels defines the overall popularity or the power of a console?
      But again can we wait and see before making conclusion based on level of decibels in a conference?

      “Also got defensive when I said much more powerful console.”
      I didn’t get defensive I just pointed that it’s a subjective point of view. Something we both agree on.

      “Just don’t try to act objective when we all know you really aren’t. That’s all.”
      These are the statements I don’t get. I do try to be objective and try to debate with facts most of the time, I do give out my opinion from time to time but I will never debate on subjective topics.
      But anyway, can we end this. With this and the other 2 topics, I think it’s been going on way to long…
      Bye…

  • Paul

    To me the problem is that most games are going to run at 1080p, 1440 natively then upscaled using all sorts of tricks to 4k with maybe a few bells and whistles added in, it’s not really the upgrade most gamers wanted, most wanted 1080p 60fps upscaled to 4k or even 1440p 60fps upscaled to 4k, that wouldn’t be too bad of an upgrade, as it is, what Microsoft is promising with Scorpio sounds like a much better deal if the price is right, true 4k with a 4k blu ray drive as well as more power to boot.

    Now if he said the PC is being underestimated then I would agree with him, on PC if they tap into the power available like Vulkan and use more of the cpu power and not leaving a lot of it doing nothing as well as tap into the IGPU with the DGPU, then we would see more of what the PC can really do even on average hardware.