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PS4 Will Outsell Xbox One This Holiday Claims Industry Analyst

| October 28, 2015

PS4 Will Outsell Xbox One This Holiday Claims Industry Analyst News  Xbox One PS4 PlayStation 4

Industry analyst Michael Pachter has claimed that the PlayStation 4 will outsell the Xbox One globally and in the United States this holiday season. Sony have, of course, cut the price of the PlayStation 4 in North America, the UK and Japan in recent months, and this will undoubtedly help its sales even further. However, Pachter claims that there’s more to it than that.

“The PlayStation 4 will outsell the Xbox One globally this holiday, and they will be pretty close in the U.S. Sony probably wins, however, as it has a great brand and is doing a great job marketing. Nintendo has no chance to be successful in consoles this holiday.”

While the Xbox One is littered with a ton of awesome exclusives this holiday season, the PS4 is relying more so on its 3rd party partnerships. While Until Dawn and The Nathan Drake Collection received impressive reviews, the PlayStation 4 is without an exclusive that can match the likes of Halo 5: Guardians or Rise of the Tomb Raider. However, Sony have secured timed-exclusive DLC with Call of Duty: Black Ops III, as well as marketing rights for one of the biggest games this holiday, Star Wars Battlefront.

It’s worth noting that Pachter hasn’t always hit the mark with his predictions, so take his comments with a pinch of salt.

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  • Lacerz

    Ah…Sony just received the Pachter kiss of death.

    • Terminator

      Its all part of the plan. Every time he opens his mouth the opposite happens.

  • Allen

    Xbox always wins US for holidays, Halo just launched and some great deals on Xbox. i just don’t see PS4 winning the U.S. World wide sure.

    • XbotMK1

      Never underestimate the consumer. Microsoft lost the trust of many consumers when they lied about their allways online DRM and backtracked, and how they ripped off their customers for many years with Xbox Live before copying PlayStation Plus. The PS4 also just got a price drop and the less ignorant consumers probably won’t pay the same price for a weaker device that offers less games and less value. Many people know how Microsoft has only been lying and backtracking on greedy practices the past two years.

      But I think Microsoft probably has the less gaming industry savvy soccer moms on their side. The holidays will be interesting. If Microsoft can’t outsell the PS4 for the holidays with their “greatest exclusive line up in Xbox history” then they’re in trouble.

      • ..

        What about the trust Sony lost when it removed feature via a firmware update?

        Never underestimate the power of morons like you, you seem to group in bunches.

        • Scooby Doo

          Butthurt Xbone fanboy.

    • Scooby Doo

      Xbone only won (the holidays) last year because of the price drop.
      This year they are the same price so I also think Sony will sell more, well, as it always does.

  • Guest

    I think he is just stating the obvious. Nintendo has no chance, PS4 will win it worldwide. The US will be close. I think XB1 might just edge it in the US.

    I’m not too sure what are the “ton” of XB1 exclusives this holiday season. Even though technically there aren’t any, I’ll say there is just one this fall (Halo 5). I still see them taking the US with the marketing and black friday deals…

    The PS4 should do well. The price cut is great. It’s not some kind of silly temporary price cut.

    Yesterday, Sony killed it again with all the announcements at PGW. Besides all the VR games there was a lot of PS4 content. Overall they again announced more exclusives than XB1 at E3 + Gamescom.

    MICROSOFT
    E3 2015
    – Recore
    – Gears 4

    Gamescom 2015

    SONY
    E3 2015
    – The last guardian
    – Dreams
    – Nier 2
    – Horizon: Zero Dawn

    TGS 2015
    – Nioh
    – Gravity rush 2
    – Yakuza 6

    PGW 2015
    – Matterfall
    – Driveclub bikes
    – GT sport
    – Detroit: Become human

    Tthere could still be more announcement at PS Experience 2015.

    • efnet

      You always leave out games to make what you say feel right ….

      Retail:Crackdown 3 (Microsoft)
      Gears of War 4 (Microsoft)
      Halo Wars 2 (Microsoft)
      [Pending] Mystereet F: The Detectives’ Curtain Call (5pb.)
      [Pending] Natsuki Chronicle (Qute)
      Phantom Dust (Microsoft)
      Quantum Break (Microsoft)
      [Pending] Raiden V (Moss)
      ReCore (Microsoft)
      Rise of the Tomb Raider (Square Enix)
      Sea of Thieves (Microsoft)
      Scalebound (Microsoft)
      [Pending] Shooting Love Trilogy (Triangle Service)
      [Pending] Stranger of Sword City: New Version (Experience)

      Downloads
      Anarcute (Anarteam)
      Ashen (Aurora44)
      Bacon Man (Skymap)
      Below (Capybara Games)
      Calibre 10 Racing (Bongfish)
      Cities: Skylines (Paradox Interactive)
      Cobalt (Mojang)
      Crabitron Kinect (Two Lives)
      Cuphead (StudioMDHR)
      Enki (Storm in a Teacup)
      Fable Legends (Microsoft)
      The Flame in the Flood (The Molasses Flood)
      Fortified (Clapfoot)
      FRU (Through Games)
      Gemini (Echostone Games)
      Gigantic (Motiga)
      Glitchrunners (Torque Studios)
      Grabbles (Noble Whale)
      Happy Dungeons (Toylogic, Inc.)
      The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing (Neocore Games)
      Inside (Playdead Studios)
      ION (Dean Hall)
      Kingdom (Raw Fury Games)
      Knight Squad (Chainawesome Games)
      The Little Acre (Pewter Games)
      Ori and the Blind Forest: Definitive Edition (Microsoft)
      Ostrich Island: Escape from Paradise (MeDungeon Games)
      Oxenfree (Nigh School Studio)
      Pit People (The Behemoth)
      Plague, Inc. Evolved (Ndemic)
      Planet of the Eyes (Coco Cucumber)
      Raging Justice (MakinGames)
      Rivals of Aether (Dan Fornace)
      Shiny (Garage 227 Studios)
      Soccertron (Erosa Games)
      Slice Zombies for Kinect (Made)
      Spaera (Blazing Orb)
      Starpoint Gemini 2 (LGM)
      The Sun and the Moon (Daniel Linssen)
      Swordy (Frogshark)
      Tacoma (The Fullbright Company)
      The Toilet Chronicles (The Pyxe Pub)
      Worms WMD (Team17)
      Wulverblade (Darkwind Media)
      Zenith (Infinigon Games)

      • Ryan

        @efnet Lets face it, no exclusives for Xbox One will be anything more then ran down quality content needing dynamic resolutions and frames just to play it. It´s unfortunate developers have to find methods and take from the overall experience just to get it to run on Xbox One hardware.

        • efnet

          Face what?
          You’re trying to sell me on an opinion of a person who doesn’t even own a x1? Thanks but no thanks lol

          • Ryan

            It´s just fact. It’s ok to accept it. Listing an entire page of MS exclusives just to deny owning their console, I get it. It’s ok man. They let us all down.

          • efnet

            Do what? Lol

        • JCheezy

          Your comment reeks of “I’m trying to sound smarter then I am” FAIL!!!

        • dreadtheomega

          What’s wrong with Dynamic Resolutions, they’ve been up-scaling games for like 8 years now and no one ever cared before. If you have to sacrifice one, I’d rather have a game running at a constant frame rate then be at 1080p or higher.

          I’m I the only one that remembers that last generation, and even the one before that games could barley push 20-25 frames? Did you all tumble down a well and drown, losing part of you’re memory when they took a sweet 5 minutes to bring you back to life?

          Dynamic Resolution has been used in
          RAGE
          CALL OF DUTY ADVANCED WARFARE
          THE WITCHER 3
          WOLFENSTIEN THE NEW ORDER
          WOLFENSTIEN THE OLD BLOOD
          the list goes on and on and on.

          As for being under powered, well so what. The Xbox 360 was considerably under powered next to the PS3, but was able too keep up in sales. I mean look at the Wii, it was barely a PS2 and it sold like hot cakes.

          Games make a console, a console, hardware doesn’t.

          You should all be ashamed, this console generation is nothing more then a dick showing contest thanks to people like you,

          • Allfor1

            Sony drones talk about upscaling when sony and killzone upscaled CONSIDERABLY!! Powerful system my ass!

        • Allfor1

          Tha ficc you talkin bout. Enjoy your japstation quietly. Smh Sony drones spend more time in articles than on their delaystation awaiting greatness.

      • Guest

        Here we go again. I hope you understand that I was talking about EXCLUSIVE games ANNOUNCED at recent major press conference. E3, TGS, Gamescom and PGW.
        Some of the games you mentioned were announced at last year’s E3 or gamescom.. Hell, Quantum break was announced at XB1’s reveal way back in May 2013.

        Most of the games you mentioned aren’t even exclusives. lol
        Thats what happen when you blindly copy paste list of games…

      • Makaveli2

        Is rise of tomb raider also going to be on the pc and ps4 at a later date.

    • Ryan

      What about WiLD? Looks amazing. No dynamic frames/resolution there.

      • Guest

        I thought Wild was great yesterday. But they announced it earlier (at last Gamescom I think).

        • Guest

          *Gamescom 2014

  • ..

    Pretty safe to say the only way Xbox will out sell PS4 is by giving them away. Nothing is going to double xbox sales with Ps4 maintaining the same.

    They were like 3000 short of the ps4 in the us in September. October through December it will likely out sell in the US.

    • Guest

      That’s because the hardware in Xbox One is really bad. Most people know by now and Halo 5 showed that with 60fps gameplay with 30fps background AI, dynamic resolutions hardly ever hitting 1080p, never hitting full 1080p, and needing a hud to black out some of the screen just to improve performance. Halo 5 could had easily been a 10/10 if the Xbox One was more capable. It sucks but it is what it is.

      • Fozymandias

        Halo 5 can barely hit 1080p but don’t tell any Xboners that….they don’t like hearing the truth.

        • efnet

          Smh poor people

          • Fozymandias

            Smh poor Xboners

          • efnet

            Nothing poor about me lol
            I can buy an entire library of games across multiple platforms in a day while your broke ass can barley afford one ?
            All fanboys are the same lol

          • Fozymandias

            Save for the fact that once again you seem to think the reason I don’t have an Xbox One is because I can’t afford it. I don’t need a dust collector I need a console that I can and want to play and I have that already. You sound like a very lonely person by the way. People who brag about their money usually have to because they’re extremely unhappy. Good luck to you and your poor soul.

          • efnet

            Lol trust me I am extremely happy ….

          • Fozymandias

            Happy people don’t feel the need to brag about what they have or put others down for what they don’t. So either you’re lying or just in denial.

          • efnet

            Just love rubbing it in broke people faces lol but you’re free to assume whatever you want though
            ..

          • Fozymandias

            I’m not assuming anything, in fact, I don’t have to. You keep proving my point every time you post another idiotic comment.

          • efnet

            Of course you are…hell I spent like 600 on games for complete strangers on dualshoker website ….money is no issue for me

          • Fozymandias

            That’s admirable but you’re still an asshole

          • efnet

            You would never seen that side if you weren’t one too….I support gamers not fucked up fanboys constantly trying to bash others

          • Fozymandias

            I also support gamers. In fact I even congratulated Halo gamers on having a great launch. I’ve never bashed anyone or said anything about any individual except for you because you seem to have a problem with me not owning an Xbox One for some extremely weird reason.

          • efnet

            That’s a Damn lie lol you did it in this very article

          • Fozymandias

            Lol it’s not a lie

          • Terminator

            “I’ve never bashed anyone or said anything about any individual” Your comment history says otherwise. By the looks of it you love to go to Xbox articles and start problems.

          • Fozymandias

            About Xbox yes. Do you not pay attention? Is Xbox a person or individual?????

          • Terminator

            “Happy people don’t feel the need to brag about what they have or put others down for what they don’t. So either you’re lying or just in denial.”
            and yet here you are and not just here downplaying those who own an Xbox One, and bragging about the PS4.

          • Fozymandias

            Really dude? I made a comment agreeing with the article and of course you Xboners gotta have something to say. I didn’t start shit! You all replied to my comment so please get the fuck outta here with your bullshit.

          • JCheezy

            Says the guy that logs on to online chats because he’s striving for attention. Keep making fun of others as you stare into the mirror.

          • Fozymandias

            I’m sharing my opinion. That’s the whole point of having a comment section, genius.

          • JCheezy

            Do everyone a favor and stop………….breathing

          • Fozymandias

            Do yourself a favor and stop acting like you’re more important than anyone else.

          • JCheezy

            Is that really the message you got out of all that. Haha WOW!!

        • ..

          Neither can PS4 games, they suffer from huge frame rate drops, just cause you know nothing about hardware and read the box doesn’t mean PS4 can support 1080p, cause it can’t the games prove it. Xbox is barely behind PS4 graphics wise and its heads and tails better than PS4 on almost every other aspect including actual good games and online play.

          • Fozymandias

            Um we were talking about resolution not frame rates and as it stands at this very moment there are 62 PS4 games that run at 1080p. Can you read?

          • ..

            Frame rate is more important than resolution. Are you just stupid or did you drink the koolaid where frame rates in the teens to make the game run at 1080p is acceptable?
            Maybe they should run single digit frame rate at 4k. I mean higher resolution is better right?
            You do realize frame rate, resolution and detail are all related when it comes to processing and you can’t have them all if your hardware is limited.
            You clearly don’t game on PC and don’t understand how it works.
            Thanks for coming out though and proving my point yet again that PS fans are just lemmings that read the box.

          • Fozymandias

            That’s your personal opinion that frame rates are more important. Thanks for sharing.

          • ..

            Mine and millions of PC gamers. Any real gamer

          • Fozymandias

            Again saying something like “PC gamers are real gamers” is just your personal opinion. Funny how PC games never outsell console games though….

          • ..

            Diablo 1-3 off the top of my head, and many others. Again I appreciate you proving my points for me. Not to mention digital sales are seldom even close to accurate and not well tracked so only when the dev releases the numbers.

          • Fozymandias

            Keep dreaming

          • ..

            Umm dreaming in reality?

          • Fozymandias

            What reality? PC will always be in the minority as long as consoles exist and no matter what delusions you wanna tell yourselves. Good luck with that buddy.

          • ..

            Just like more civics on the roads than corvettes. I’m OK with that

          • Fozymandias

            Corvette? Yeah I’ll walk away…you made that too easy lol

          • ..

            What to easy? You think a civic is better than a corvette?
            Do you have a constant need to fit in? Do you have low self esteem?
            Do you have to do what’s popular or can you think for yourself?

          • Fozymandias

            So if I said “I’m a PC fanboy and I love PC gaming” does that mean I can think for myself? Cuz that’s basically what you’re saying. Console gamers can’t think for themselves but PC gamers can? Fuckin hypocrite

          • ..

            No. I’m a console gamer. PC gamer, phone gamer, ipad gamer, card gamer and an thing else that challenges me mentally gamer. You’re a sheep

        • Bame2

          That ps4 is sooo food that uncharted 4 MP is 900p 45fps….which by the way sucks compared to dynamic 1080p locked 60fps. Also keep in mind halo offers full 4 player coop and 24 player online with vehicle combat on 5 times as many maps. Ps4 is a turd.

          • Fozymandias

            Lol Halo doesn’t have “dynamic” 1080p dumb ass. And Uncharted 4 multiplayer is 900p 60 fps. It’s nice to know after almost 2 years all Xbox can brag about is 1 game lol

      • ..

        It’s not that bad at all, people are just ignorant lemmings. Why waste your time with PS4 if you want quality hardware, go PC or go home.

      • JCheezy

        Honestly though. It’s obvious the only ppl hating on Halo 5 are those that can’t have it. I’ve been reading 100’s of you PS owners do nothing but clown on this game. All sites are praising it saying it’s easily game of the year. What’s the real reason you guys are hating so bad?? I joke with you guys a lot but I really want to know.

        • Name

          Hey, remember me assclown? Not only do I own both systems but i love my Xbox. However I hate fanboy losers like yourself. I’m currently playing MGSV and will be picking up fallout 4 and the Bloodborne doc next. Guess what I’m skipping? Halo 5.

          • JCheezy

            Once again you didn’t answer my question like usual. Just stop trying because you are fucking pathetic so just stop trying to be cool.

    • Fozymandias

      Yeah right. Did u see the video of that kid who won a Xbox One at Comic-Con? He literally looked like they handed him a bag of rocks then slowly walked off in utter disappointment. If a kid doesn’t get excited about getting a FREE Xbox One then you know you have a problem. So no, you can’t even give them away lol

      • ..

        I wouldn’t go that far, fastest selling xbox in history does mean something. It’s just being over shadowed by the PS4 huge undeserved success.

        • Fozymandias

          I never said it wasn’t selling and yes it is being overshadowed by the PS4. Undeserved? PlayStation has been the king of consoles since the first PlayStation came out. What makes you think that will ever change? Just cuz you like Xbox doesn’t mean they’re gonna take that title.

          • ..

            Does selling more consoles make the games you play on it more fun?

          • Fozymandias

            All games are fun in their own way

          • ..

            Yes, does sales have any effect on that?

          • Fozymandias

            I don’t understand your argument. Are you trying to say that even though PlayStation has been the king of consoles it’s games are not fun?

          • ..

            No, I’m asking if playing games on the highest selling console makes the games more fun than playing them on a superior console that sells less?

          • Fozymandias

            Well yes it would….wouldn’t that be the reason that specific console is the highest seller? It has better games therefore more people wanna play those games. People don’t just buy a console for the hell of it. Whichever console has the funnest games people will gravitate towards that because we play games to have fun.

          • ..

            No, marketers told you what to buy and you followed.

          • Fozymandias

            Seriously what the fuck are you talking about? If I see a game that looks interesting to me then I’ll buy it. What does that have to do with marketers? Oh I get it, marketers used false advertising to sell Halo 5’s story to get people to buy it…..I don’t have an Xbox sir.

          • ..

            What ever you say

          • JCheezy

            Haha you usually make yourself look stupid as hell but I’m glad to see Tech smack a bitch because you deserve it. Duh…Duh….Duh, what do you mean….Duh. Hahah pathetic. But Halo 5 false advertised….duhhhhhhh.

          • ..

            I’d like to point out to there are a lot of things you don’t understand

      • JCheezy

        Leave it up to you to be watching kid videos sicko.

        • Fozymandias

          Yeah a video from Comic-Con about a contest to win an Xbox One. What the fuck are you thinking about you fuckin weirdo?!

          • JCheezy

            Whatever you have to tell yourself perv.

          • Fozymandias

            Wow you really are an immature douchebag but I wouldn’t expect anything else from you

          • JCheezy

            Call me immature then immediately call me a douchbag. I wouldn’t expect anything less from you.

          • Fozymandias

            What can I say…douchebag suits you

          • JCheezy

            I tried to let you entertain me but you suck at this as much as you do life so I’m going to end this if you end that. Deal??

          • Fozymandias

            I’ll do one better. I’ll respect your opinions if you respect mine…deal??

    • JCheezy

      Do you realize how stupid you are?? Outsell by giving them away??? They are talking about holiday sales and you say “nothing is going to double Xbox sales”? Xbox fell 3,000 units short in September…..I didn’t realize Christmas got moved to September dip shit. PS4 has a lot going for it but cock bags like yourself are making it very hard backing them.

      • ..

        Relax dude, I’m an Xbox fan, but also a realist. PS4 is outselling 2 to 1 right now. It’s not going to change that drastically over a couple months. Even with the best games and the best online.
        People are too hung up on resolution they can’t see. Marketing has decided what people buy.
        Doesn’t mean I believe it, I’m not a lemming.

        • Name

          ^this is what a dulusional fanboy looks like.

          • ..

            I’d be more inclined to believe your opinion if you could spell

          • Name

            I have no power over the stupidity of Apple autocorrect.

          • ..

            not often auto correct changes words to words that don’t exist.
            U and E are a little far apart for a typo. I’m guessing you just aren’t very bright.

            Apple owner too, now your opinion really means nothing, just follow the rest of the iSheep

          • JCheezy

            Dude just stop. You are looking really desperate the way you keep flirting with me.

        • JCheezy

          Ok, that statement was a ton better then your first uneducated one.

          • ..

            Not sure I would call it uneducated. It was a blunt yet accurate statement.

            Sales don’t matter any way. You know you have the better console. That’s all that matters. They won’t not make another Xbox. They don’t cancel the Silverado because the F-150 out sells it. Doesn’t mean 1 is better than the other. It’s what ever was marketed better. Because well, people are lemmings waiting be told what to think.

  • Fozymandias

    Halo 5 is all they have right now and after being exposed as false advertising in the incredibly weak story I doubt anyone is gonna run out to get an X1. Not everyone is into multiplayer anyways. Fallout 4 and Black Ops 3 will be the biggest games of the holidays and as always will sell more on the PS4 thus helping it to stay on top. Pretty simple.

    • Terminator

      “Not everyone is into multiplayer anyways” and yet you list Black Ops 3 a game which its main attraction is multiplayer. Nice of you to contradict yourself.

      “after being exposed as false advertising in the incredibly weak story” Please provide evidence where they falsely advertise Halo 5’s story.

      • Fozymandias

        Evidence? All the ads for Halo 5 make it seem like there’s some great conflict between Master Chief and Spartan Locke. Plenty of ads with them literally facing each other. Plenty of ads about hunting him down. Does any of that happen in the game? No! That’s called false advertising.

        • Terminator

          LOL!! Now I know you didn’t play the game. All that does happen in the game. I knew you where talking out of your a$$.

    • Darth Vader™

      That’s funny. Rare Reply, Gears UE, Forza 6, Halo 5, and soon TR.

      • Fozymandias

        Rare Replay? Lmao! Forza? Lmao! Gears is old. Rise of the Tomb Raider isn’t an exclusive as it will be coming out for PS4 and PC next year. Like I said all you have is Halo 5.

        • Darth Vader™

          So you just pass them off like that?
          Typical fanboy.

  • Microsoft need to clean house, minus Phil Spencer he is doing a good job, but the people above him don’t see the Xbox One has a worthwhile investment, and before people say fanboy fanboy there is not one Sony console in my household, only PC and Xbox so, Halo 5 will go to PC eventually, 343 skimping on the campaign is proof of this, the pirates on PC rarely pirate games for multiplayer because they can’t play multiplayer when the game is pirated(common knowledge), Halo 5 is multiplayer focused so if it goes to PC more people will buy the game legitimately to play the massive multiplayer portion of Halo 5, and if Microsoft execs don’t see good sales of Halo 5 on Xbox One you can expect the game to launch on PC shortly afterwards anyway, it was different with last gen because the architecture was completely different so porting console exclusives to PC would’ve been too risky but now that PS4 and Xbox One are basically PC’s in a box there is nothing stopping them, O’Connor’s tweet was damming to say the least, Microsoft make mistakes and they get crucified, Sony makes mistakes it’s the ol “Oh Sony loves us really, they know what’s best”, the media hasn’t helped Microsoft one bit, and Microsoft naivety hasn’t helped them either, so yeah Microsoft messed up in 2013 and the media has never taken their foot of Microsoft’s neck since, to the point where an exclusive game on Xbox One is bad for the gaming industry LMAO

    Trust me Halo 5 will be on PC soon, i feel it’s hit n miss with MS, it’s like a box of chocolates, you never know which Microsoft you will get, maybe 9th gen will be better for them

  • Tga215

    Why must we argue about this lets nip it in the bud the ps4 is the better console gamers have spoken if you have a Xbox enjoy it if you have a ps4 enjoy what’s so hard about this (this is coming from a guy who mainly plays on Xbox)

  • SlossinX

    Fing losers still doing this
    We’ll never know cause MS ain’t releasing sales #s. Its about the games and they are speaking for themselves on Xbox one. Forza 6 best racer, Halo 5 best competitive shooter-ps4 has not a single game that can compete.
    Best controller in all of gaming, Elite controller sold out.
    I could buy MS exclusives only for the next 2 years and have the best games in the industry

    • Name

      Bloodborne beats out both easily. Highest metacritic rated exclusive.

      • PastelZ9

        Bloodborne is a single player game with a gimick 3 player coop mode that runs at 13fps. If I want a single player hack slash borefest ill get dark souls.

  • dreadtheomega

    I hope Sony enjoys finally turning a profit, that only took uh what like 8 years, maybe more at this point.
    Do console sales really matter though? I mean it’s not like we are living in the age of the Dreamcast anymore, Microsoft can afford to sell consoles at a loss, they are not and will not ever be just a one trick pony.

    • Name

      Hilarious. That right there is desperation at its finest. Now the sales number don’t mean anything. What’s next? You’re running out of excuses.

      • dreadtheomega

        They matter true but not as much as fanboys hold them over each other’s heads. Just cause something sells great doesn’t make it any better, just cause something is easy to use, doesn’t mean that it’s faster. Look at iPhones, underpowered garbage that gets a new version every year and sometimes every 6 months, if it was so good, it wouldn’t need new iterations or model’s.
        You’re just trolling at this point mate, I don’t play back. Picking at straws with nothing to back it up is rather embarrassing and pathetic.

    • Guest

      It depends from whose point of view. You are looking at it from a company’s point of view. We should look it as gamers and product owners/users since that’s what most of us are.

      A console that sells well means it’ll have a bigger base. This means that studios are less likely to exclude a game on that platform. Both Respwan and EA regretted taking MS’s money and not including Titanfall on PS.
      More sales propbably has a direct effect on number of exclusives which will mostly lead to even more sales that’s why good selling consoles usually have bigger game library.

      • dreadtheomega

        Install base is nice, but at this point it doesn’t matter, mostly due to the fact each console has pretty much all the same games. Besides exclusives, but even those are going multiplatform, mostly due to those companies producing them wanting more money. If you make a Windows version or PC an Xbox One port shouldn’t be that difficult or too far of a reach. Universal app’s will also help, think about building a game on one system and with a toggle being able to recompile and port to anything, minus PlayStation at this point…

        • Guest

          “mostly due to the fact each console has pretty much all the same games”
          Not really, since we are talking of exclusives here. The PS4 has more exclusives and have more upcoming exclusives. MS announced just 2 XB1 exclusives at last E3/Gamescom. Sony announced 11 PS4 exclusives at last E3/TGS/PGW.

          It shouldn’t be that difficult to port it to XB1 but there still a development cost and it’s probably easier for Sony to go to 3rd party studios and ask for exclusivity. If 3rd party studios are to choose they would probably prefer to have their game on PS4 over XB1. Especially, since XB1 buy proportionally more well marketed games like COD/AC than less marketed games…

          • dreadtheomega

            Um, Sea of Thieves, Crackdown 3, Quantum Break, Gears of War 4, Scalebound, Halo Wars 2, Recore, Cuphead, Inside, Tacoma, Cities Skylines, Fable Legends, Below, Elite Dangerous. That’s 13 titles, and at least half of them are indie title’s, not AAA.
            That’s on development and producer side, but they all use tools on Windows PC’S, using the tool’s given to them for free from Microsoft, how is that better then basically paying for attention first. That’s a terrible business decision, and while they’re making money Sony that is, Microsoft is still worth more, and is still making more even if the Xbox Ones aren’t necessarily selling at the rate of the PS4.

            Also if you’re counting Final Fantasy 7, then don’t it’s also coming to Xbox One.
            If you’re using an old IGN list I’d suggest not using that as a source since much like most of these gaming site’s, they rarely update them.

          • Guest

            I was talking about the RECENTLY announced XB1 EXCLUSIVE games.

            MS announced:
            E3 2015
            – Recore
            – Gears 4

            Gamescom 2015

            Sony announced
            E3 2015
            – The last Guardian
            – Dreams
            – Nier 2
            – Horizon: Zero Dawn

            TGS 2015
            – Nioh
            – Gravity rush 2
            – Yakuza 6

            PGW 2015
            – Matterfall
            – Driveclub bikes
            – GT sport
            – Detroit: Become human

            That’s 2-11. And that’s not including whatever more announcement they’ll make at PS experience in december.

            Now about the games you mentioned:
            Sea of Thieves – Also on PC not XB1 exclusive
            Crackdown 3 – Announced at E3 2014
            Quantum Break – Announced way back in May 2013
            Scalebound – Announced at E3 2014
            Halo Wars 2 – Also on PC not XB1 exclusive
            Cuphead – Also on PC not XB1 exclusive
            Inside – Announced last year as “first on XB1”
            Tacoma – Also on PC/MAC/Linux not XB1 exclusive
            Cities Skylines – This is a port of a game thats already on PC/MAC/Linux.
            Fable Legends – Also on PC not XB1 exclusive
            Below – Also on PC not XB1 exclusive
            Elite Dangerous – Also on PC not XB1 exclusive

            And knowing MS’s history with so called exclusives. Games like Quantum break could well end up on PC, and other indie games like Cuphead or Below will probably end up on PS4. Elite Dangerous is already confirmed to be coming on PS4.

            Honestly I as a gamer don’t care about which company makes the most money or which is worth more. All I care is games they provide and at the moment the PS4 provides a lot more exclusives than the XB1. The XB1 has just 4 AAA exclusive in 2 years. 2 Forzas, 1 halo and Sunset Overdrive. That’s just not good enough for me.

            Over vg history it should be noted that hardware sales has a direct impact on the library of games/exclusives of a console. Lots of exclusives/games leads to good sales. And a good install base usually leads to more exclusives…

          • dreadtheomega

            Just because they’re on the PC doesn’t change the fact they’re only on one console, you’re attempt to dismantle the list I made is pathetic. Last Guardian was announced for the fricken PS3, year’s before Microsofts announcements. I understand trying to defend you’re personal decision, but with this whole Windows 10 deal, any PC running Windows 10 is now considered an Xbox. Any game’s running through the Microsoft store are also Xbox Game’s. Microsoft is working they’re asses off to make their own in house exclusives and not shelling out money shamelessly to buy up loyalty.

          • Guest

            “you’re attempt to dismantle the list I made is pathetic”

            What? I was just stating facts. Is the truth so difficult to accept and you think it’s an insult?

            “Just because they’re on the PC doesn’t change the fact they’re only on one console”
            The only thing is we are talking about XB1 exclusives and not console exclusives.
            Note that I wasn’t talking about Shenmue III, Street Fighter V, NMS, Hellblade, Phantasy Star Online 2, Firewatch, Ronin, Mother Russia Bleeds, Crossing Souls, Eitr…
            And I wasn’t even talking of VR games like RIGS, Until Dawn Rush of blood…

            If you want to talk about console exclusives than yes the PS4 has many. It has a lot MORE than XB1. And unlike the ones you mentioned they are unlikely to go to the XB1.

            “Microsoft is working they’re asses off to make their own in house exclusives and not shelling out money shamelessly to buy up loyalty.”
            You’re kidding, right? Tomb raider? All those timed deals? XB exclusives that will never go to other platforms suddenly end up elsewhere.

            And yes, I’m talking about exclusives. What will make me want to buy a new system. I already have a PC, PS4, Wii U, Vita plus old gen consoles. Like I said just 4 AAA exclusives in 2 years. Not good enough for me.

            Sony has a lot of 1st and 2nd party studios working on various more diverse PS4 exclusives. Your comment just doesn’t make sense to me.

          • dreadtheomega

            “What? I was just stating facts. Is the truth so difficult to accept and you think it’s an insult?”

            I’m basing this on the fact that you felt the need to attempt to point out the flaws in my logic, last generation even though the ps3 was a cunt to develop for, it still got versions later down the line, and most of them where game of the year deal’s. So it’s not so illogical to think that Microsoft wouldn’t end up getting certain game’s after the deal’s have ended or the publisher decides they want a larger cash flow.

            “You’re kidding, right? Tomb raider? All those timed deals? XB exclusives that will never go to other platforms suddenly end up elsewhere.” – Okay one timed deal – Call of Duty Black Ops 3, Shenmue III, Street Fighter V, ect are all one’s that are either timed or paid for via Sony. Tomb Raider is being funded and published by Microsoft, they even are allowing a version for the PS4, yes a year or so later but the point is they could have probably made it fully exclusive. They’re trying to play it some what safe, since people won’t let go about the DRM shit that Sony avoided by going second and filming bull shit propaganda video’s about sharing their games. I bet they didn’t even have a console, which is why they never showed anything off other then the controller. I’m sure a somewhat equal development kit existed, but I guaranty that’s why they waited.

            “And yes, I’m talking about exclusives.”
            The difference between a console and PC version are very little other then specs or being able to glorify graphics via an expensive rig. I know I used to be a PC only gamer. But after dealing with an over flow of game’s constantly requiring better hardware I settled on console gaming as an easy-to-use interface and general reliably/ budget. If the Xbox One is running off the Windows 10 architecture, then it’s not to far off from thinking about porting to the Xbox, which will then allow a market share, aka own on one, own on both. It’s a super smart move, when people get tired of constantly having to rebuy the same package across multiple systems. Why buy that console games on that system when I can buy on PC and have a copy of it to take around with me on my Xbox. Or perhaps let’s pick up on my cloud saves of gta 5 on my PC so I can enjoy how much better it looks then both console’s.

          • Guest

            “you felt the need to attempt to point out the flaws in my logic”
            LOL isn’t that part of a discussion or a debate? So it’s ok for you to downplay my argument about the importance of install base but it’s not when you bring out a list of games that had nothing to do with what I was talking about.

            “so illogical to think that Microsoft wouldn’t end up getting certain game’s after the deal’s have ended or the publisher decides they want a larger cash flow”
            No it’s not, but it’s unlikely to happen if we look at gaming history. How many AAA PS3 exclusives ended up on 360? How many PS4 exclusives ended up on XB1 or any other platform?
            Now think of how many 360 “exclusives” ended on other platform (including PS consoles)
            Ninja Gaiden 2
            Bioshock
            Lost Planet
            Overlord
            State of Decay
            Castle Crashers
            Tales of Vesperia
            Star Ocean IV
            Eternal Sonata
            Limbo
            Oblivion
            Braid
            ME2
            Enchanted Arms
            Alan Wake

            Ryse
            Dead Rising 3
            Killer Instinct
            Below
            D4
            PvZ
            Fable legends

            What’s interesting is the way you’re trying to make it sound as though MS is that great company making their own games. XB have so few 1st party franchise Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable, kinect games, and now Minecraft.
            They rely way too much on 3rd party studios for their so called exclusives.

            “Call of Duty Black Ops 3, Shenmue III, Street Fighter V, ect are all one’s that are either timed or paid for via Sony. Tomb Raider is being funded and published by Microsoft, they even are allowing a version for the PS4”
            Sony has the same deal that MS had for YEARS. And that isn’t something I’m happy about I’ve always criticized MS for that and now I’ll do the same for Sony.

            About other deals Sony usually invest ENOUGH money to cover development cost and loss that the studio makes by not having it on another platform.
            As for MS they usually spend LESS money on timed deals AND try to mislead us consumers into thinking that the game was an XB exclusive. And that’s the reason the list I posted was so long.

            “They’re trying to play it some what safe, since people won’t let go about the DRM shit that Sony avoided by going second and filming bull shit propaganda video’s about sharing their games. I bet they didn’t even have a console, which is why they never showed anything off other then the controller. I’m sure a somewhat equal development kit existed, but I guaranty that’s why they waited.”
            I’m not sure how any of this got to do with anything? You are another one of those who believed that Sony changed their E3 press conference based on what MS did 2 hrs earlier? lol

            I found the “bull shit propaganda” funny. MS also makes these type of videos and takes shots at other companies. It’s all part of the game. You should really relax and not take it personally. Also Sony showed the console at E3 2013.
            Even if they didn’t have the design finalized in february 2013, I don’t know how that has anything to do with exclusives games and install base…

  • Darth Vader™

    So if Pachter says it…the opposite will happen.

    • Guest

      So the Wii U will outsell every other console.

      • Darth Vader™

        Exactly. It will be Wii U, X1, then PS4.
        He’s also the reason pigs aren’t flying yet. He said they would be able to ply back in 2005.

  • Skeet

    So if Mr Patcher’s saying that, I guess Nintendo are going to cream it, with Xbox coming Ina distant second, an PS4 bringing up the rear.

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