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Xbox One to deliver twice the performance with DirectX 12 update

| April 7, 2014

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Last month at the Game Developer’s Conference, Microsoft unveiled DirectX12, and with the annoucnement, the promise that the Xbox One would benefit in performance gains. Now, developers are coming out to reiterate on these claims, the latest being Stardock founder and CEO Brad Wardell.

In a post on Neowin, Wardell explains the “Secret Sauce” behind the DirectX12 performance gains on the Xbox One.

It effectively gives every Xbox One owner a new GPU that is twice as fast as the old one

“The results are spectacular,” writes Wardell. “Not just in theory but in practice (full disclosure: I am involved with the Star Swarm demo which makes use of this kind of technology.) While each generation of video card struggles to gain substantial performance over the previous generation, here, the same hardware will suddenly see a doubling of performance.

XBox One is the biggest beneficiary; it effectively gives every Xbox One owner a new GPU that is twice as fast as the old one.”

Though these performance gains do come at price, warns the developer.

“There is a downside for all this power. DirectX 12 games will be the first games to fully utilize the powerful graphics cards gamers have been buying for the past few years. DirectX 12 won’t require a new video card for GPUs that already support DirectX 11. As a result, that GPU will be getting pushed twice as hard as it previously was which means more heat on cards that might have only barely been cool enough when they were only being commanded by a single CPU core. We expect to see many marginal video cards setup to experience over heating issues as DirectX 12 suddenly pushes these cards beyond what the IHV had anticipated.”

Microsoft has yet to provide an official release date for DirectX12.

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  • Johnny

    Hahaha love it.

    • John

      Right? 2 years later and my Xbox one is still half as powerful as my PS4. Where is my new GPU? Why do all my multi-platform games still have a higher resolution, more visual effects and a higher frame rate on my PS4? Did my Xbox not get updated? Do I need to send it to Microsoft so I can get my performance boost? Do they do house calls?

      I’m keeping the beast but I’m not gonna hold my breath for any improvements whenever Microsoft spews more lies to their fans :(

      • Johnny

        Go away bud, really pathetic trolling 2 year old articles. Get a F’n life. Sorry but that is just sad.

        • John

          I can appreciate the hate man, I’m frustrated too, we’ve been played, feels bad man :(

  • Revolver Ocelot

    Big flaw in his reasoning: the Xbone already runs as hot as the PS4 even with its size. The Xbone is designed to run quiet as it is a media box instead of a games console. This would cause a massive RROD crisis. What a pity.

    • bdlckkd

      Have you even seen the fan inside of a x1? it’s also programmed to spin faster as it heats up, it uses bigger fan blades as well to push more heat out…you will not see another RROD sorry

      • Revolver Ocelot

        The entire point of the design philosophy is that it’s a silent media box you don’t notice in your media centre. It spins faster, it gets louder. The entire design philosophy is rendered pointless.

        It’s cute that you don’t understand logic but also very inhibiting to day-to-day functioning.

        • Flatlander Woman

          The entire point of its design philosophy is that it is a game console that does more than JUST gaming, so it is a HTPC philosophy, so actually you are wrong.

          A silent media box is an Apple TV or a Roku 3, the XB1 is more than a game console and also tries to be more than a cheaper set-top. Microsoft is also marketing the XB1, in private, to a lot of corporations as a general purpose enterprise device to be used with Kinect and USB peripherals, this is likely why MS designed Surround Web for projecting things onto walls and objects, such a feature would be well appreciated in board room meetings and such.

          You must not be a gamer to bring up fan noise while gaming. The sound of actually gaming overrides it. My personal gaming PC is very high end and somewhat loud when I test the fans under load, but in real world gaming the audio of the games just totally drowns it out, ESPECIALLY if I use a headset.

          I find it funny you try to speak of the ‘design philosophy’ as if you are anything more than a 14 year old punk. You don’t work for MS…or Sony, or any of these companies, so stop acting like you are speaking from within the industry, you’re not, you’re just some fanboy. Microsoft clearly planned this as part of their long-term evolutionary design or else they wouldn’t be talking about it less than 6 months after release.

          You have no CLUE how it will actually function under DX12 or how the fan will even sound under the added load, you’re just saying everything is doomed because the fan will get louder, but you have no way of telling how loud it will be or how intrusive it will actually be in the real world. So for someone trying to speak of logic, you sure use VERY little of it because all you do is jump to conclusions on things that you can’t know about. Logic dictates you’d simply wait instead of proclaiming that an increase in fan noise will inherently be bad, when in reality it may not be noticeable at all.

          Also, air flow is the more important factor than the fan itself. The XB1 has all those vents for a reason. If it’s using efficient air flow and ventilation, the fan doesn’t need to work all that hard to remove added heat. This is true in gaming PCs as well, and it is why so many cases are designed with strategically placed vents, instead of just being packed with 15 fucking fans and one vent.

          I don’t really care how much this improves the XB1 graphics because neither console this gen will exceed 1080p gaming and as long as the FPS is consistent and playable in games, it won’t matter if it’s 30 or 60, it really won’t. These are both underpowered HTPC-like devices using GPU architecture that was designed by AMD in 2011 (look it up). PS4 has an upper hand but it isn’t going to do anything additionally impressive over 1080p gaming. And it costs less than 1000 dollars to own both consoles, so the fanboyism always gets annoying as shit. The fact you are one of those people who keeps trying to claim the XB1 is not a gaming console just shows you’re a poor kid who could only get the PS4. Get a job and shut the fuck up you cockroach.

          • Ian Williams

            thanks.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Nice wall of text. You’re obvious rattled.

            The whole point of the Xbone’s strategy is to be “the centrepiece of the living room.” It is as much competing with Google and Apple as it is Nintendo and Sony. If you’re trying to sell it to Joe Casual as a silent media box and it sounds like a vacuum cleaner, news flash: you’ve pretty much f*cked up.

            “You don’t work for MS…or Sony, or any of these companies, so stop acting like you are speaking from within the industry,”

            Or because they openly discussed it last May after the reveal. Clod.

            “Microsoft clearly planned this as part of their long-term evolutionary
            design or else they wouldn’t be talking about it less than 6 months
            after release.”

            Yep. It was all planned! Just like Sony was going to do DRM as well! Xbox One: Just Wait.

            “You have no CLUE how it will actually function under DX12”

            I know enough to know it’ll make the CPU more efficient so MS can transfer more basic tasks to it and free the GPU up a bit. Maybe that 2% reserve for the Kinect can be released. Then it will finally be up to paper specs. An upgrade equivalent to a second GPU? Please.

            “Also, air flow is the more important factor than the fan itself.”

            It is. That’s why the PS4 has a pressurised cooling system that allows it to run cooler while having a compact design than the Xbone which is just an oversized shell. Even the frigging Kinect has a fan! Ridiculous.

            Yeah, no sh*t both consoles are going to be weaker than a PC. Don’t know why this winds you up so much. Then again I see a lot of so-called PC gamers who shill for the Xbone. I wonder why that might be.

          • Flatlander Woman

            Protip: next time you try to argue, don’t reply by admitting that I am right ;)

            The simple fact is you agreed with me that you’re jumping to absurd conclusions, but then tried to cover yourself by saying “I know enough”. No, you don’t know enough, you’re grasping at straws for something you can’t fucking prove or even accurately guess at.

            Your entire awful argument is that that this MAY increase fan operating speed and that this MAY increase noise a bit. You CAN NOT LOGICALLY PROVE to what extent either of these things will happen in real life, so just shut your retard mouth and get back on the short bus. You’re also completely neglecting the fact that it is ENTIRELY possible for extra load on the hardware to maintain the same average operating heat as the unit currently deals with, because at a certain level, increased load does not necessarily mean more heat at all, you can see this in a lot of PC rigs if you had ANY real gaming experience (you don’t).

            The fact is you’re trying to pass off your theory as fact and you’re falling flat on your face and humiliating yourself, I expected a LITTLE more of a challenge, but you’re just a child and I tire with your simple minded rhetoric. *Yawn*

            You ever start putting in any job applications btw? Work real hard washing cars or some shit and maybe you can afford an actual gaming hobby instead of being an overly defensive crybaby over the cheaper PS4 your mommy bought ya for Christmas. Me, personally, I have a 4,000 dollar hand built gaming rig in addition to every single console made since the NES and Master System era…and I make 150k a year in my 20s. Remind me what you do again, child?

            Utterly humiliated, outsmarted and dominated by a woman, how embarrassing for you. Maybe this was your intention all along, some kind of sick fetish?

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Yeah, I agreed with you that PC is more powerful than consoles. That’s not the issue here. The issue is that the Xbone is crap. You didn’t argue against that. Guess that means I’m right. Good to know. )

            “Your entire awful argument is that that this MAY increase fan operating
            speed and that this MAY increase noise a bit. You CAN NOT LOGICALLY
            PROVE to what extent either of these things will happen in real life, so
            just shut your retard mouth and get back on the short bus.”

            Possible, yes. Likely, no. If the Xbone is supposed to be getting “double the power,” “effective a second GPU” and that the same DX12 would spontaneously combust PC graphics card it stands to reason that the Xbone would require a lot more cooling under those circumstances. Perhaps you should take up reading instead of ranting incoherently on the internet to cover up your lack of an argument as a hobby.

            I could get an Xbone if I wanted. Unfortunately it’s a massive piece of sh*t with no games and a dumb fanbase. Perhaps if people showed a bit of discernment they’d get better than Ryse, Lococycle and Fighter Within.

            Pretty amusing that you feel the need the justify your existence to an
            unknown on the internet, but if it helps you stave off the insecurity of a lonely existence I won’t pop your bubble.

          • Nostalgia

            lol I love when Sony fanboys try to criticize the Xbox One for having no games, since the PS4 has just as many “no games”. A dumb fanbase? Most people that own a PS4 prove the lower intelligence of the PS fanbase, because you all allowed yourselves to be BOUGHT by Sony.

            Oh and I bet you still believe Sony is actually giving you free games for subscribing to PSN.

            But you’re right, Microsoft just pulled the Xbox One and DirectX 12 out of their ass. Microsoft, a multi-billion dollar company that has been the software kingpin of the world for at least a decade, they weren’t capable of inter-department communication. Every department in Microsoft is completely isolated from one other and no one talks. It’s time to pop your bubble, Microsoft isn’t as stupid as you are. They’ve been working on both projects for years and what should be obvious, must have made plans to incorporate them together.

          • Xtreme Derp

            LOL dumb as rocks mentally ill conspiracy theorist. JUST WAIT XBOX IS SEKRITLY MORE POWARFUL DX12!!1

            Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

            Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

            The bottom line is even if Xbox had a far more powerful CPU and 10000GB of 10000 GB/s memory, it’s ability to render graphics is STILL limited by the weaker GPU. There’s no getting around the weaker GPU, there’s no free lunch.

            If they’re both running at the same resolution the Xbox version will have lower framerate and/or visual effects, or the PS4 hardware isn’t being pushed.

            PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

            Xbox has memory size and bandwidth bottlenecks, weak GPU and GPGPU, only 16 ROPs, and OS virtualization overhead that all degrade gaming performance. Take your pick.

            Console APIs like PS4s and Xbox One are already supposed to be low level. Unless MS seriously screwed up with their Xbox One API (which is called DirectX 11.x, a custom derivative of DirectX 11), the benefits are likely to be minimal. DX12 is still mainly a benefit to PCs.

            These low level changes mainly benefit the CPU. Which is why Mantle helps a lot with CPU constrained PC builds, but doesn’t do a whole lot if the CPU is already bulky enough to not bottleneck the GPU. Basically the only way you’d see “twice the graphics” is if the GPU was being severely bottlenecked by the CPU.

            Xbox One’s benefit depends on how low level the current API already is, and whether Xbox One games are CPU bottlenecked, as these low level changes are mainly a CPU benefit. Being able to run CPU code more efficiently will free up some CPU power, but that doesn’t have a direct relation to GPU rendering unless it was bottlenecked.

            PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

            Wardell’s Star Swarm PC demo tends to be CPU bottlenecked on DX11, so running his demo using Mantle or the new Nvidia drivers shows a significant boost in performance. His tech demo features thousands of ships flying around the screen shooting at each other in space.

            Wardell is taking the results from his Star Swarm tech demo and extrapolating them to every other game, which is misleading because most of them aren’t particularly CPU bottlenecked and won’t show anywhere near “double” performance gains.

            Again how much DX12 benefits Xbox One graphics performance depends on 1. how low level Xbox One’s API currently is and 2. whether the game in question is CPU bottlenecked.

            Outside of graphics performance DX12 should still give the CPU more room to do things, and alleviate memory bandwidth somewhat.

            Even if Xbox had a far more powerful CPU and far more memory bandwidth (it doesn’t), it’s ability to render graphics is STILL limited by the weaker GPU. There is no getting around that, no free lunch.

            PS4 has the superior version of all console AAA multiplats, The Order, Driveclub, MLB 14: The Show, Deep Down, Lily Bergamo, Uncharted 4, more 1st party devs, more dev support including indies, and unannounced 1st party games (Gran Turismo, God of War, etc.) Titanfall 2 will almost certainly be on PS4.

            PS4 is currently outselling Xbox almost 2:1 globally, about 7 million to 4 million. The sales gap is growing wider despite price drops and free Titanfall bundles. Most console gamers are ignoring MS fanboy apologizing, denial, and damage control and buying PS4s.

            PS4 6 million, Xbox 3.5 million by end of Feb 2014. PS4 will still outsell Xbox globally March 2014 despite price drops and Titanfall bundles. PS4 at ~7 million, Xbox ~4 million by end of Mar 2014. That’s 1.75:1 globally. And PS4 is still very supply constrained in some countries.

            Xbox will hardly sell anything in smaller “tier 2” markets already dominated by PS3 and PS4. The global gap is growing wider and won’t stop, Xbox will never surpass PS4 in global sales. End of story.

            The Xbox brand has lost MS billions of dollars, with Xbox One set to lose even more money. It’s a business failure that MS shareholders increasingly want to get rid of.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Bought? Sony produced a better product than MS did. End of story, though keep crying about “bribery” and “dirty tricks” and etc etc.

            Nope, they’re giving me subsidized games for subscribing to PS+. :)

            DX12 is giving you a 20% CPU boost and they’re not stupid, but miscalculating. Sony leaked a bunch of duff specs which let MS think they could spend more developing the crappy camera/media box strategy. They thought SCE couldn’t do much better. They were wrong. That’s all. Though the isolated departments reminded me of this cartoon! bonkersworld(.)net/organizational-charts/

          • Nostalgia

            IDK why you replied to Xtreme Derp, it’s obvious you meant to reply to me.
            You’re a dam fool if you can’t see Sony’s bribery. Look, back in 2009 Sony jeopardized millions of users and instead of giving a sincere apology, Sony threw a few gifts at people and no one bitches.

            Target last November was maliciously attacked, made a mistake and APOLOGIZED but since Target didn’t say they were giving people free stuff, everyone threw a fucking fit.

            When you receive compensation for keeping your mouth shut, it’s still bribery and you let yourself be bought.

            Sony is TELLING you that you’re being given free games but you’re getting nothing but rentals. Sony is flat out lying and you’re ignoring it!

            .. Ironic. Will admit, had a laugh at that cartoon but Microsoft knew both products were in development and it’s no leap of faith that Microsoft had plans to incorporate them both.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Yeah, that’s Disqus for you, especially when you’re wading into the middle of a week old argument because you’re buttblasted.

            Erm, you mean the massive apologies over multiple media – the Youtube video, the official blog, at E3, to Congress? Considering the PSN hack was one of the worst data breaches in Internet history, a little bit of compensation was the least they could do to blunt the bitterness. I don’t remember MS giving people hacked as a result of the EA FIFA hack anything. Maybe you should take it up with them.

            I should think people would throw a fit if Target was too cheap as well.

            “When you receive compensation for keeping your mouth shut, it’s still bribery and you let yourself be bought.” Hardly. People were still pissed off by what happened and there’s still some unease about it – I still use prepaid cards because I don’t want my details on their system. But little gestures like that are a small part of regaining consumer trust. I wouldn’t expect you to understand that.

            Nope. Sony tells you in the marketing that “Instant Game Collection: Get top-rated* games on your PS4 ™, PS3 ™ and PS Vita every month for the course of your membership.” which is true.

            Obviously. Though the idea that MS were exclusively building Xbone around DX12 and not also around being an always-on silent media box with a camera bolted on is weak.

          • Nostalgia

            Looks like you C&P that. Skimmed through parts of it. But please, Sony couldn’t make quality software even if its life depended on it. You’re delusional if you think Sony could ever optimize their software. Great real…

            Put simply, the Xbox One still has the hardware to preform at 1080p/60fps and the PS4 is stuck at it. It’ll never reach 4K.

          • Xtreme Derp

            Bu bu bu just wait for the directx 12 esram tiled resources cloud latency stacked dGPU SDK update!

            I guess you haven’t swallowed enough loads of Microsoft “special sauce”. LOL.

          • Nostalgia

            Just wait until Sony rolls over from their financial problems. You won’t have a PSN to play on.

          • MidasTyranny

            well put

          • Real720

            I know this was 7 months ago, but so far, basically every exclusive on PS4 was a piece of shit, whereas games on the Xbox One, such as Sunset Overdrive and Forza Horizon, have been exceeding our expectations. Oh, and Halo MCC is coming out. What the fuck do you have to say now?

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Lel. SO barely got a higher metascore than Infamous with the words “repetitive” and “monotonous” thrown about to describe it a lot, FH2 is an expansion pack that looked and played the same on the 360 and then you have a port collection. Next year’s looking even worse for you losers. Those games did so well for the Bone they had to hack $50 off the hardware for the holidays. Here’s what I have to say now: Xbox Done.

            Now say Xbone, shill.

          • Real720

            I don’t even own an Xbox, you fucktard. Assuming that I had one undermined your level of stupidity right there. Anyway, next year’s exclusives on the PS4 don’t even look that promising, including Uncharted. Xbox owners will have the pleasure of playing Halo 5, Gears of War, Crackdown, Fable Legends, Quantum Break, and etc. Don’t fucking say shit without actually backing your shit up. And to point out, PS4’s exclusives are basically only good for single player, nothing else. It’s a fucking casual gamer’s console. No wonder PS4’s not even worthy to be on the MLG circuit… Oh, and PSN blows. And this is coming from someone who was about to buy a PS4.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Two franchises on the brink of being milked to death, one done by a studio with an sketchy track record, the other with no track record at all, a reboot by a studio also with no track record, Fable is worn out and irrelevant, QB will likely be good but that’ll hinge on how well the game/TV integration works. Etc? Is that a AAA blockbuster?

            Good. Single player games have years of replayability. Good luck with that MP game of yours when the community dies. Case study: Titanfall. MLG retards make me laugh.

          • Xtreme Derp

            Mentally ill, deranged Microsoft fanboy.

            Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

            Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

            The bottom line is even if Xbox had a far more powerful CPU and 10000GB of 10000 GB/s memory, it’s ability to render graphics is STILL limited by the weaker GPU. There’s no getting around the weaker GPU, there’s no free lunch.

            If they’re both running at the same resolution the Xbox version will have lower framerate and/or visual effects, or the PS4 hardware isn’t being pushed.

            PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

            Xbox has memory size and bandwidth bottlenecks, weak GPU and GPGPU, only 16 ROPs, and OS virtualization overhead that all degrade gaming performance. Take your pick.

          • Flatlander Woman

            Why are you telling me things I never even argued against? How fucking RETARDED are you?

            You are pointing out differences between the consoles, but you’re too fucking idiotic to even realize the PS4 is still LAUGHABLY weak. It is not a powerful machine. It’s a fucking AMD Jaguar APU for god’s sake. Why do you think the PS4 made a mockery of itself running Tomb Raider TDE with all the FPS drops? I’m not saying XB1 did it any better.

            PS4 is really already hitting its performance cap really. It is too weak to go reliably beyond 1080p in games, as optimization occurs over time the PS4 will settle at 1080p and 60fps in most games, and 30-40fps in harsher games probably like TESO and Destiny. Note, these are real world estimates. I know people have tried to say PS4 will do 60fps in Desint,y but trust me it won’t, it will do 60+ fps in areas with little happening, it will probably do 30fps in all the real combat.

            And how am I a MS fan when I own literally every single Sony gaming device ever made? Seriously go kill yourself for being unable to accept that your console is weak, I buy consoles for specific gaming exclusives, not graphics. You’re a dirt poor hillbilly who needs who can’t afford everything, so he hides behind the cheapest thing his welfare check would allow him to buy.

            Haha, cute ;) Now go run back to 4chan or whatever garbage heap your fat ass came from and cry.

          • Kidd

            Sony has no exclusives at e3 this year cause there busy calculating there profits off units sold to make sure they don’t go under on games! LOl

          • Xtreme Derp

            Lots of asshurt Xbox fanboys hiding behind high end PCs.

          • bdlckkd

            I would shake your hand if I could!

          • Xtreme Derp

            LOL dumb as rocks, worthless, malicious MS fanboy damage control. Keep saying it doesn’t matter while PS4 continues outselling Xbox almost 2:1 globally.

            It’s typical of Xbox fanboys to pretend the existence of a high end PC justifies an Xbox being more expensive yet less powerful.

      • Oscar Portillo

        The faster the fan spins the more power it pulls and so the fan will only delay the probible ,which is the thermal paste drying out till the CPU starts to give.
        Over clocking is never a good thing as in the end Directx 12 is only going to create more problems for a system that is allread struggling.
        Instead Microsoft should be working on managing what they have to work with rather than supping up the XBox to compete with the more powerfull PS4.
        I can care less about the XBox 1 but if I was in the shoes of an XBox gamer I would be mad that Microsoft is wasting time on false hope aka DirrectX 12 the gamers sugar pill.

        • GK15

          Yeah, would much rather they waste time on a VR headset.

          Just google DX12 Xbox One. It’s almost universally agreed upon that it will increase performance for XB1, except by PS fanboys. The only thing debatable is by how much. Please tell me you’re trolling?

          • Mattress

            He’s not trolling. He is just incredibly stupid and biased. Evidence? The last 6 months of posts that I’ve read.

          • Ian Williams

            he and your flat out wrong are on everything with disqus in it, trolling everything down. quit funny really. they ignore the facts coming from ms as there’s no news from sony, or games for that matter

          • Sideways M2

            One HUGE problem with this article. TWICE AS FAST?

          • Nostalgia

            “Yeah, would much rather they waste time on a VR headset.”

            GK15, I must say that your comment is brilliant and a refreshing sight for eyes that have read so much stupid on the internet over the last year.

            You sir, have won the internet!

      • Oscar Portillo

        If you know computers then you know it’s not the size of the fan that matters but the controll and placement of it.

        • bdlckkd

          I feel like this has been MS plan this whole time, I’m sure they designed their console to be able to withstand running Dx12. I don’t see it as oh MS under anticipated Sony and now they just made DX12 just to be able to compete. This was obviously planned and they know what they’re doing. Still saying this is a great day to be gamers and that both consoles are doing extremely well.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Another conspiracy theory with no basis in fact.

            “We purposefully did not target the highest end graphics. We targeted it more as a broad entertainment play.”

          • bdlckkd

            Thanks for posting more information from articles that were released before the x1 was even released.They didn’t target a higher end graphics cause they knew they wouldn’t need it. “And did it in an intelligent way and focused on key aspects of the IP for that.”

          • bdlckkd

            “Conspiracy Theory” You keep saying that word….I don’t think it means what you think it means…

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Yeah, like “This must be why the Xbone is so big!” when we already know why the Xbone is so big.

          • GK15

            Seriously, what is wrong you people? You don’t think XB1 (Xbox got it’s name from Direct “X”) was built with this in mind? It’s MS’s tech! They knew it would come out within XB1’s lifetime. It’s part of their 1 Windows (Xbox One) design. As is Universal apps. MS has a lot of interesting things going on right now.

            Are you that much into console wars that you can’t see this? Are you that much of a troll…. Oh, wait…

          • Revolver Ocelot

            It was, but it won’t have as big an impact as it think you will.

          • bdlckkd

            I’ve said this numerous times.

          • Xtreme Derp

            Not according to bkilian on beyond3d. And if you don’t know who that is, you’re ignorant and clueless.

            The whole “Xbox was built for DX12” is just another conspiracy theory with no proof or evidence, never claimed by MS, and proof to the contrary.

          • bdlckkd

            Well it was built with it in mind. You can’t tell me they just pulled this software out of their ass in the last 3-6 months. No they’ve been working on this for awhile now and they did have using it for the xbox one in mind, as they’re also going to be using it for Mobile

          • Xtreme Derp

            I’ll believe it (maybe) when someone at MS says it, not raving MS fanboy conspiracy theorists grasping at any straw possible.

          • bdlckkd

            That’s fair

          • Nostalgia

            Xtreme, I bet you were all about believing the negative rumors, even though none of them were being confirmed by Microsoft. So you think it’s wrong to be a MS fanboy buy you’re contempt with being a Sony fanboy, sounds pretty usual of Sony kids.

          • Xtreme Derp

            Apparently you don’t understand how reason, logic, and evidence work. Typical of delusional conspiracy theorist idiots that start with the conclusion then straw grasp for “evidence”.

          • Nostalgia

            Cute copy and paste. Fact: Microsoft knew they were developing the next Xbox. Fact: Microsoft knew they were developing DirectX 12. It isn’t “grasping at straws” but I guarantee that if the shoe was on the other foot and we were talking about Sony, you’d think Sony had everything planned for the PS4 before they even released the PS2.

            Please explain, how does seeing two facts and making a logical, educated assumption make me “delusional”? Get your head out of the Sony sand.

          • Xtreme Derp

            LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Fact: You’re a dumb as rocks, delusional conspiracy theorist claiming things even MS hasn’t claimed.

            MS made THE SAME SONG AND DANCE about DirectX 11.x and “mono drivers” being super optimized and to the metal, etc. as DirectX 12. You’re probably too dumb or dim witted to remember that, though.

            Look up bkilian at beyond3d, imbecile fanboy.

          • GK15

            You’re joking right? You honestly believe that MS knew when XB1 was coming out, knew when DX12 was coming out and didn’t plan to coordinate them? You do realize that DX12 is made by MS don’t you? And Xbox is a MS product don’t you? Xbox even gets it’s name from Direct “X.” And XB1 is a large console for a reason. I don’t expect anything less from a trolling fanboy like yourself tho. Troll on

          • Xtreme Derp

            Apparently you don’t understand how reason, logic, and evidence work.
            Typical of delusional conspiracy theorist idiots that start with the
            conclusion then straw grasp for “evidence”.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            That strategy they thought up to design the console in 2011 has not changed in the last ten months. “Broad entertainment play” is what you’re getting with a nerfed GPU and TV TV TV.

          • bdlckkd

            Lol go somewhere else, stop liking your own comments you’re just babbling all over now.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Keep clinging to your DX12 fantasy. It won’t save the Sh*tbox Done.

            Also V for Vendetta masks went out of fashion five years ago, same time as the Xbox in general, actually.

          • bdlckkd

            Thanks for proving you know nothing about anything stop spamming my comments please

          • bdlckkd

            AMD’s Raja Khodury “And it’s not a small benefit, it’s like getting four generations of hardware ahead with this API.”

          • Revolver Ocelot

            This low-level API that’s going to be on PC that will deliver the benefits of consoles onto PC.

          • Oscar Portillo

            I guess the safe bet is wait and see and then give imput.

            But, I still think they are just trying to overclock which is not the same as your thoughts.

          • bdlckkd

            From my understanding it’s not really overclocking the Dx12 is to help allocate the hardware usage “DirectX 12 ‘corrects’ the processing distribution by getting the CPU’s multiple cores to work in tandem with each other.” “DirectX 12 will increase the amount of work that’s performed on the
            different cores, and similarly reduce the burden on the main thread. Under DirectX 12, apps will have the ability to track the GPU’s pipeline
            status directly, without relying on the API or driver as a middleman.
            Developers will be able to directly control when a resource changes from
            a texture to a render target and back, for instance, and control where
            resources are placed in the system heap. Developers will also be able to
            bundle resources into groups for easier tracking. Microsoft also discussed new CPU indexing algorithms in DirectX 12 that
            choose which core to use for specific tasks with no overhead. This lets
            those cores work completely asynchronously, Gosalia said, and maximizes
            the power of today’s multi-core processors.”

          • bdlckkd

            Since “most apps and games have a lot of similarity in what they draw
            from one frame to another,” DirectX 12 has algorithms to reduce the
            overhead from recalculating minor state changes in a scene. A new heap
            implementation will amortize the creation and destruction of resources,
            limiting system costs. DirectX 12 will introduce a new, faster resource
            binding model and allow for faster reuse of memory freed up by used
            resources that are no longer needed. Developers will also be able to
            decompress ASTC and JPEG images in hardware.

          • Kidd

            Were happy for both consoles and sony fanboys keep hammering us!! Why…….Lol I love my Xbox One!!!!!!!!!

      • GK15

        XB1 designed with this in mind. Why do these fools think the box is so big?

        • Revolver Ocelot

          So it can be silent while it runs hotter than the PS4. Making the fan run loud destroys the design philosophy of the Xbone as a media box completely.

          • GK15

            It would only be hotter while playing games tho.

          • Guest

            Larger fans do not need to spin as fast as smaller fans. The fan speed could double and you wouldn’t hear it while playing games. Looks like Ms was one step ahead of all of us.

          • Oscar Portillo

            A larger fan in an inclosed environment is as effective as a smaller fan so your opinion makes no sense.
            The speed of the fan is what matters as it create a stronger air circulation which will reduce heat quicker.

          • bdlckkd

            except for the huge amount of ventilation all over the design of the box, have you looked closely at the design of the box

          • Guest

            A fan twice the size of a small one can more 4x the volume of air at the same speed. Alot less noise to. The ones fan can spin a bit faster moving alot more air without making much noise.

          • scud42

            Oscar….No, your opinion on this makes no sense. In fact, SCIENCE tells us that 2 fans (1 large 1 small) spinning at the same exact speed move different amounts of air. The larger one pushes out more air than the smaller one. This is why you see PCs using larger fans. More airflow, same speed, quieter.

            Therefore, if the PS4 and the XB1 both increased the heat output of their systems by the same amount, the XB1 would actually be quieter since their fan speed wouldn’t have the increase as much.

            Take a physics course before snarking at someone else….

          • Ian Williams

            well put.

          • Xtreme Derp

            It’s more complicated than that. Air pressure is a factor.

          • scud42

            Normally I wouldn’t feed the troll, but I really get tired of people in America making up facts to suit their agenda.

            No, pressure is not a factor.. In fact the Ideal Gas Law (P1V1 = P2V2) states that the pressure changes as the Volume of air changes from input to output. Since air is not being compressed inside the system, the pressure would only change if there was a restriction on the output. However if there was a restriction, applying Benoulli’s equation shows us that the speed of the air would increase to the pressure change. Still, the volume remains the same.

            But nice try…..

          • Xtreme Derp

            Good lord what’s up with these autistic Microsoft fanboys crawling out of the woodwork trying to sound smart?

            You
            just argued against something I never said. I said pressure is “a
            factor” because you can alter the air flow to more effectively target
            certain system parts, not that it would change the total volume.

          • scud42

            Autistic? No. Educated? Yes. These are things you learn about in any high school physics program.You said “pressure is a factor”. Pressure has NOTHING to do with air flow…. Changing the air flow does not alter pressure. And since both the PS4 and the Xbox1 have CPU/GPU fans, as long as the case fan pours directly over the CPU/GPU fan, the airflow does not matter. Either way, my original point rings true. A large fan running at the same speed as a small fan pushes more air. There is no argument in that. That was my original (and only) point.

            I do find it funny though, that you call me a fan boy even though I never mentioned either system in any of my posts until this one (I actually own neither). Looking at your post history though, I see you comment A LOT on these articles. You seem hell bent on making sure “your” multinational conglomerate company, is the “right one” no matter what the story. And that’s fine…we all have to have our passions…but really, I have to ask, why does it mean so much to you? If you love the PS4 so much, why aren’t you playing it instead of complaining about other people’s choices on the internet?

        • bdlckkd

          When you look at what it actually does above ^ It’s not overclocking so nothing really would be running hotter it just utilizes the hardware better so I think overheating will not be an issue anyways.

        • Xtreme Derp

          Dumb as rocks conspiracy theory.

          MS ALREADY STATED they wanted the console to be silent. They didn’t make it large because it has SEKRIT UNUSED POWAR. So dumb it hurts.

    • buck302

      Wow. You’re xbox one must be broke. Cuz there is hardly any heat on mine. Even after 10 hours of titanfall. Barely even warm. Good day.

      • Revolver Ocelot

        Check yourself before you make an ass of yourself.

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        • 111AlaN111

          I want to see where it comes from. Otherwise, it could have been made by anyone who know how to use MS Office

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Digital Foundry analysis. Scroll down each page for the appropriate tables.

            eurogamer(.)net/articles/digitalfoundry-hardware-test-playstation-4

            eurogamer(.)net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-hardware-test

          • 111AlaN111

            It states that the X1 is a little bit warmer.

            It also states next to the chart in both links that the PS4 is a little loud, while the X1 is very silent to the point that a Blue Ray drive is “significantly louder than the X1”

            X1 wins

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Congratulations missing the point. It runs hotter than the PS4 despite being bigger and having a larger fan to run silent. Considering it’s designed to be a silent media box, cranking up the fan noise for DX12 would be an hilariously desperate move to keep the Turdbox relevant.

          • 111AlaN111

            The PS4 is a little bit cooler, so what? There aren’t reports of X1s overheating. But the noise will be always there. No matter what.

            And the X1 could support DirectX12 due to the ventilation system. And the X1 is more relevant than the PS4. The PS4 just does better graphics, wich is pitty you can’t even see the difference.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Point being if you have to hike the fan speed to accommodate dat DX12 GPU, it’s going to increase the noise which destroys the design philosophy of the Xbone.

            “And the X1 is more relevant than the PS4. The PS4 just does better graphics, wich is pitty you can’t even see the difference.”

            Yeah, you’re delusional. The Xbone is dead and as for differences: trailers-ak(.)gametrailers(.)com/gt_vault/1/t_metalgearsolidv_consolecomparison_10kbps(.)mp4

          • 111AlaN111

            I see the difference between both consoles looking at each one side to side.

            But the difference is little. And if you play a game without looking at the others, you won’t notice a single difference.

            And the fan is quiet enough, so even if it runs faster, I don’t think the fan will make that more noise. It will just be a little noiser, that’s all.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Nice goalpost moving, friend. :)

          • 111AlaN111

            Be more clear, plus, why does it matter to you if the X1 is supposed to get a better performance? You don’t have an X1 or at least plan to buy one.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Just making sure the utter disappointment you will feel won’t sting as bad. :)

          • 111AlaN111

            I don’t have disapointment? I guess you’re here after your InFamous 20 hours of fun expired.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            20 hours is excellent for a single player game compared to the hour I’m usually done with your connected MP experience. :)

          • 111AlaN111

            Yeah, an hour, dreaming is free.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Been what I’ve got out of most MP over the last eight years.

          • 111AlaN111

            If you play a MP game and just try once each game mode, that’s what you get in all MP games.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Enough time to recognise if an MP is worth the effort or not.

          • 111AlaN111

            I don’t think so. I think that you’re either a fanboy or just prefer SP games.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Sorry if it breaks your heart that MS’ focus on MP won’t be be meaningful for a vast majority, but there you go.

          • 111AlaN111

            MP isn’t meaningful for a vast majority? Now you control people’s minds or what?

            MS focusing on MP isn’t real. The only MP only game was TitanFall. And MP keeps a game fresh, your friends(if they exist) can play with you and have fun.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Multiple surveys have found this out. And considering that Xbone exclusives so far have been multiplayer only (TF, PvZ) or had MP bolted on for no good reason (Ryse) combined with their Azure shilling means that, yes, MP is a very big part of their strategy.

          • 111AlaN111

            Because MP is great, and MS has confidence enough to base its console around MP, while Sony doesn’t. Their online is less powerful.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            MP is hot t*rd for the most part. I’m glad that MS has designed the Xbone to be the ultimate c*ncer containment console.

          • 111AlaN111

            MP gives more freshness to a game when it’s well done. If it is done like Tomb Raider’s MP, it will s*ck, but this will not happen with MS. They are MP geniuses!

            And why does MS contains c*ncer?

          • Revolver Ocelot

            “Freshness,” for pity’s sake. It might increase the amount of times I come back to it but I don’t regard the same maps and same modes as “fresh.”

            The Xbone’s been c*ncer since reveal and it’ll all come back full circle when they bring back the old policies.

          • 111AlaN111

            Same maps and same modes are ok. But you aren’t gonna find the same experience in all matches, did you know that?

            The X1 was shit when it was announced with DRM and that kind of stuff, but why do people complain when the policies change when they were the ones wanting them to change?

            Now the X1 changes each week, new patches, better stuff added, graphic improvements, and more!

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Dragging a rushed console out of beta is hardly something to celebrate.

            They’re just waiting to bring back the old policies. Every statement since hasn’t been about how wrong it was but how it was “communicated.” Newsflash for Phil Sphincter and Larry Herb: you can’t polish a turd.

          • 111AlaN111

            They didn’t drag a rushed console, if one did that, it would be Sony. The X1 announcement came first, and then the PS4 announcement, in wich they didn’t show the console, and it could be because it was rushed. Maybe that’s why the console came out with no games

            And I really don’t think MS will bring back the old policies. They would be in serious problems, in legal form, and they would lost a BIG fanbase, including me.

            And I think that could get them out of the gaming branch

          • Revolver Ocelot

            The PS4 was revealed first (where they didn’t show a console which Xbot King Larry Herb mocked, to his later regret) then the Xbone was revealed (after a month’s delay) which was AWFUL and made the PS4 look SO MUCH BETTER. PS4 has more games than the Xbone, by the way.

            Nah, they’re bringing them back. You can tell in the rhetoric. “We didn’t communicate it right!” Sorry, Phil Spencer, but you can’t polish that turd.

          • 111AlaN111

            I think you are a hardcore fanboy to think that MS will make their policies return.

            Xbox has more retail games, PS4 has more indies.

            The X1 presentation was awful, the PS4 presentation was better, in that you’re right.

            But now I think that the X1 is better than the PS4. It has more stuff than the PS4. The PS4 just has unnoticeable better graphics, that’s all

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Unfortunately most of those retail games are multiplats the PS4 has or mediocre 360 ports.

            Sadly gimmicky features doesn’t give the Xbone any more of a push.

          • 111AlaN111

            What retail games right now are ports? Right now the PS4 is more for the ports, for example, the indies are ported from PC, and The Last of Us is being ported.

          • Kidd

            Great cause without your secondhand expertize id be so lost Lmao!!

          • Kidd

            Only in America!!!

          • Ian Williams

            it hasn’t been pushed yet nor has the fan, ffs

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Face it, the Xbone doesn’t have the leeway you think it does. :)

    • Johnny

      Oh the tears the tears. Hahaha hahaha

      • Revolver Ocelot

        Common sense, Johnboy. You should try it.

        • Johnny

          But but the the graphics card ha ha ha ha ha ha oh the tears!

      • lol!

      • Xtreme Derp

        Bu bu bu just wait for the directx 12 esram tiled resources cloud latency stacked dGPU SDK update!

        I guess you haven’t swallowed enough loads of Microsoft “special sauce”. LOL

        • Johnny

          Lmao that was good one.

    • Ian Williams

      Haha phony damage alert. hahaha media box, it’s a games console you muppet. it does other things like MEDIA on top of what it does.

      • Oscar Portillo

        Hey kid it’s past your bed time.

        • Ian Williams

          Kid? Assumption, the mother of all fcuk up’s. That’s the best you can do boy?

    • Xtreme Derp

      I’m pretty sure they modeled their cooling and power supply around max TDP. Xboxes and PS4s aren’t going to ‘melt’ because games push the hardware further.

    • jaskdavis

      So 70 Degrees Celsius on Xbox 360 at average, and 49 Degrees MAX on X1 and you don’t think they have room to play with… Please! LOL

      • Revolver Ocelot

        Runs hotter than the PS4 and its compact design. It’s supposed to run quiet as a media box too. Really think there’s “room to play with?”

        • bdlckkd

          I’ve heard my fan run on full It wasn’t like insanely loud where it would drown out my gameplay volume

    • GK15

      That’s funny coming from a guy that doesn’t even have an XB1. It’s huge, it was built with DX12 in mind and it has no heat coming from the box right now while playing games. I know this because I have one.

    • Guest

      Think about it, why did they make the one so big, with so much space inside? They have the margin to push the Xbox harder. Your move Sony.

    • No You Are

      Get out of hear troll with your garbage PS4.

      • Revolver Ocelot

        Thank you for your convincing counterargument.

    • Ian Williams

      you upvoted yourself, cool, xbox one doesn’t run as hot as it’s not even being pushed yet. a media box, yes it does that aswell as playing games. spinning the rrod crisis hahaha your all running scared of what microsoft are announcing, spinning the bull again

      • Revolver Ocelot

        It runs hotter than the PS4 at same load you dumb taff! :D

        • Ian Williams

          Hahahahahaha wind um up.

    • Kidd

      Ha not going to happen ive ran mine for a whole day Youtube, Music, Games, Bing, and when I was done cool to the touch!! I was IMPRESSED so no RRODD expected!!! Bet that Hurts!!

  • Facts First

    Oh well. I guess I’ll just trade my ps4 in for a wii u then.

    • bdlckkd

      OH MY GOD!!! YOU’RE BACK?! You must of heard my cries LOL

    • Oscar Portillo

      Weren’t you on the missing airplane.?

      • bdlckkd

        LOLOL that comment made me geek tho :)

      • GK15

        Lmao!

    • Oscar Portillo

      The closest you will get to owning a PS4 is on the assembly line looser.

      • Xtreme Derp

        That’s just racist. Not cool.

    • GK15

      He’s back! Thank you Facts. We needed some type of voice of reason around here.

      • Mattress

        LOL

      • Revolver Ocelot

        Funnily enough, he’s usually more sensible than the usual Xlouts around here.

    • $98754597

      Apparently PS4’s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset, causing them to spread lies and hatred. Thankfully everyone is ignoring these children and buying PS4s like hotcakes anyway.

      8+ million and counting. Nothing you say will stop it, you are helpless. Keep lying and hating while everyone else ignores you.

      PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt. I’m constantly right, as usual.

  • Johnny

    Yep guess this means the xbox is twice as powerful as the ps4 by pony standards.

    • Facts First

      Twice the power for the same price and a free kinect camera and titanfall. LOLZ

      • Johnny

        Those ponys are just screwed now. Hahaha

        • Oscar Portillo

          Do you believe everything you read well then I got some magic beans to go with your DirectX 12.

          • Johnny

            Well here a penny for your thoughts and you can keep your two cents because I don’t think you have any to spare.

          • Oscar Portillo

            Let me guess was that hard for you to come up with?
            Poor little Micro fairy you are.

          • Johnny

            Yes I am sure you would know all about being a micro fairy.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            You’re getting cranky, Johnboy. It’s time for bed. :)

          • Oscar Portillo

            Are you mad that I revealed your secret?

          • bdlckkd

            I have magic mushrooms is it kind of the same…?

          • Oscar Portillo

            Close enough just don’t take more than two or you will end up like Ian Williams.

          • bdlckkd

            LOLOL Hey, Ian’s a nice guy…he means well :)

          • Oscar Portillo

            He has a way of getting in to trouble kind like the fat kid from Goonies.

          • bdlckkd

            Chunk :D Truffle Shuffle!

        • Xtreme Derp

          durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

      • Johnny

        Come to think of it, it might be 3 to 4 times as powerful as the Ps4 by the pony standard. Lmao

        • Oscar Portillo

          Why are you on Factsfirst Nuts?

          • Johnny

            What? First we are just making jokes at the ponys expense. Second um mm I would never go there.

          • Oscar Portillo

            262

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Johnny needs his limp delusions propped up as much as possible.

          • Johnny

            Oh good god did your mommy not change your diaper yet and put you bed? JEEEEEEEZE you have been crying for the past hour. You would think you would have given her a headache by now. Or did they lock you in the basement again?

          • Oscar Portillo

            Johnny is living the WallMart greeter’s dream.

      • Revolver Ocelot

        Cute that RedRings aka Facts Last is back.

        Enjoy waiting two years for your potential.

        • Johnny

          Oh the tears!

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Yes, yours will be great when none of this ends up happening in two years. :)

          • Johnny

            Oh how your crying gator size tears. Hahaha hahaha

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Figures your dimwitted spamming couldn’t handle common sense.

          • Johnny

            Maybe you can ask your mommy if she can cuddle with you tonight. It will be ok. Hahaha hahaha

        • Facts First

          The butthurt is strong with this one.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            I’m laughing at the idea that people think the cancerous camera is worth it. :)

          • Mattress

            I’m laughing at the fact that you upvote yourself! LOL

          • Revolver Ocelot

            I’m laughing at the fact you think your crap console is any good. :)

          • Xtreme Derp

            I guess you haven’t swallowed enough loads of Microsoft “special sauce”. LOL.

        • Johnny

          Go away you got nothing. You can’t cut and paste intelligence.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Is that what you’ve been trying? You’ve been failing miserably.

          • $21319503

            May I ask you a serious question?

            Do you have a serious vested interest in Sony doing well, if so, what is the reason for that?

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Yeah, the Xbone sucks massive bags of dogsh*t and it damn near killed the industry last May. Was hoping for the Wii U to do a Phoenix style rise from the ashes and kick the Xbone’s ass but that probably won’t happen now. :(

          • $21319503

            That’s not a valid reason, and no amount of guest-upvoting you implement on your own post(s) convinces me otherwise.

            Seriously, how many pats on the head does Hirai give you per MS-slur? Because that’s probably all they can afford to give out at the moment…

          • Revolver Ocelot

            It’s a totally valid reason after the hilarity last May/June. Then again you were probably making excuses for it around that time so I don’t expect to convince you.

          • Oscar Portillo

            Funny but a fact.

          • Blarg

            Lol I love how you upvote your own comments.

          • $21319503

            I just noticed that, I mean wow.

            I’ve heard of liking the sound of your own voice and all that, but liking your own disqus posts? That’s pretty plain for all to see as quite low.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            I am that good.

          • $21319503

            So good that you’re now doing it with a guest account? Brilliant.

        • $21319503

          “Greatness Awaits (but in the meantime let’s troll sites with anything related to Xbox One)”

          • bdlckkd

            #GreatnessSTILLAwaiting

          • $21319503

            I do laugh when I see PS4 ads in the UK.

            The one for I:SS made me cringe with this line:

            “This is for the hardcore renegades”

            It’s like Sony think the best way to approach advertising is to start throwing in patronising slang that wouldn’t look out of place in a 1992 issue of Mean Machines.

            Blech, and I mean really, blech…

          • bdlckkd

            I:SS looks like to me a fancier version of Crackdown…it has cool lighting effects…THE PARTICLES!!!!

          • $21319503

            Character models still look like a fire in Madame Tussauds though. Not that impressed with either platform at the moment to be frank, I’ll wait until later this year.

          • bdlckkd

            Then you’re getting an X1?

          • $21319503

            More than likely tbh, most of my friends have either made the leap to it already or are waiting for the goods on 360 to dry up.

            Without wading into this phony war, it just appeals to me more: I’ve got 2 small children (plus another on the way later this month), the oldest loves the kinect, and I like the integration it has with the system for voice commands (plus with Cortana rumoured to be cross-platform that’s a bonus).

            The exclusives and IPs MS have/had always appealed to me more than anything Sony came up with (I did really like Syphon Filter though back in the day though!).

            E3 will be the litmus test for how soon I’d get it though. Encouraging knowing that they have too much to fill their presentation at present; I wish the next 53 days would fly by :)

          • bdlckkd

            One thing I liked that was on the 360 that I hope they implement on the one is the kid kinect games, I as well have a 2 year old and pretty soon maybe in a year i feel like he could really get a kick out of those games like the kinectimals or they had a sesame street kinect interaction game for the 360 i would hope they would bring back

          • Xtreme Derp

            I guess you haven’t swallowed enough loads of Microsoft “special sauce”. LOL

          • $21319503

            Brilliant, witty reposte as ever Mike..

            Oh, wait, I LIED.

    • Xtreme Derp

      I guess you haven’t swallowed enough loads of Microsoft “special sauce”. LOL

  • 111AlaN111

    Does someone know if you have to personally buy a DirectX12 pack or MS will launch a patch?

    • bdlckkd

      It’s an update basically

      • Johnny

        Just was going to say that.

      • 111AlaN111

        So it comes in the future X1s that will be shipped or like a patch?

        • bdlckkd

          when they release it there will be a system update, you update it and it should be then installed to utilize, I would assume

          • 111AlaN111

            Ok, I hope the download isn’t that big.

          • bdlckkd

            I would assume that directx12 would write over directx11, which they use on it now, and that the storage space used would probably be about the same maybe a little bigger, or are you worried about download time?

          • 111AlaN111

            I’m worried about download time, but thanks for the info.

  • Body_landslide

    From what I’ve heard cards that are using DirectX 11 will only utilize SOME of the new features in DirectX 12. Xbox one graphics card is using DirectX 11 right?

    • Johnny

      11.2 if I am not mistaken and some of the features of 12 are baked into the xone.

    • bdlckkd

      I didn’t hear that, I read that only graphics card up to a certain point will be able to utilize it “Microsoft says 40 percent of all DirectX 11 hardware will be ready for DirectX 12 on day one.” “Microsoft stated 50 percent of all PC game rigs will be DirectX 12
      compatible at launch. A preview of DirectX 12 is due out later this
      year.”

    • GK15

      XB1 confirmed to run full DX12

      • Xtreme Derp

        LOL. If you think there’s hidden unused hardware in the Xbox GPU just waiting for DX12 to enable it, you’re dumber than I thought.

        Misterxmedia is calling.

        • GK15

          Yup, because I really said anything like that. Once again, XB1 confirmed to run full DX12. Troll on

          • Xtreme Derp

            Bu bu bu just wait for the directx 12 esram tiled resources cloud latency stacked dGPU SDK update!

            I guess you haven’t swallowed enough loads of Microsoft “special sauce”. LOL

  • bdlckkd

    Nvidia – “Dx12 a major stride for gaming” Sony fanboys keep saying it’s a gimmick and won’t work

    • Johnny

      There on total damage control right now but they can’t cut and paste there normal reponses so there just down with the nonsense for now.

    • Revolver Ocelot

      On PC, alas. It’s getting the same low-level APIs consoles enjoy.

      Wait. You thought making an already hot box even hotter will benefit the Sh*tbox Done somehow? Hahahahaha!

      • bdlckkd

        My Xbox One doesn’t get hot…except for that time I left my gamefly package cover the top vents it started to get hot and the fan kicked in hyper drive basically but it cooled off within like 5-10 seconds after. Alll i see is this guy spouting out garbage. Go home.

        • Revolver Ocelot

          eurogamer(.)net/articles/digitalfoundry-hardware-test-playstation-4
          eurogamer(.)net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-hardware-test PS4 runs
          at 44 degrees, Xbone at 49 degrees. Double the power, double that heat. Can’t wait for the Xbone to get water boiling functionality.

  • bdlckkd

    X1 still keeps getting better and better while that updated ps3 looks alright……

    • Revolver Ocelot

      Xbone getting dragged out of beta. Laughable. When you having a game announced? Last one was last August.

      • bdlckkd

        What are you babbling about?!

      • bdlckkd

        Oh sorry I’ve been still preoccupied with the exclusives I have…I didn’t even think about it

        • Revolver Ocelot

          What exclusives? Ryse? Lococycle? Fighter Within? Hahahahaha!

          • bdlckkd

            Killer Instinct, Forza 5, Dead Rising 3, Peggle 2, Powerstar Golf, have all been really good to me and very enjoyable *EDIT* I also forgot! Max: Curse of Brotherhood is extremely fun and a good game.

          • bdlckkd

            don’t forget those multi-plats I’ve been playing still haven’t beaten bf4 or assassin’s creed just haven’t had the time I did however beat Ryse 3 times loved the storyline…Titanfall takes up a lot of my gaming time otherwise

          • bdlckkd

            I haven’t tried Lococycle waiting for it to be a games with gold game hahaha and i tried fighter within in my gamefly. it was fun for a bit but got old fast and was really limited

          • bdlckkd

            Super Time Force just came out today I believe, I think I will be downloading that and giving it a try. what were you talking about with exclusives? So many exclusives already I don’t even have time to play them all…you must of been thinking about ps4

          • Revolver Ocelot

            That’s indie, so it doesn’t count. Your rules.

          • bdlckkd

            What are you talking about?! LOL “your rules”?

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Yep. Xfriends hate “indie sh*t” because “they aren’t real games.” Their words.

            Also, do you think you could keep it all in one post and not clog up my notifications with crap? Thanks mate. :)

          • bdlckkd

            Not when you keep trolling me :) you forget you keep sending me the same crap responses

          • Revolver Ocelot

            I thought we were having a friendly discussion going? :(

          • bdlckkd

            friendly debate, I think no less of you it’s okay :)

          • bdlckkd

            Do you even own a next-gen console at all?

          • Revolver Ocelot

            I do. Loving it and got quite the back log already.

          • bdlckkd

            Well that’s good at least ha

      • bdlckkd

        “This is absolutely, I think, the most significant jump in technology in a
        long, long time” – Intel VP of Engineering Eric Wentzer

        • Revolver Ocelot

          Referring to PC.

          • $21319503

            Referring to hardware capable of using DX12 libs moreso?

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Referring to low-level APIs that already exist on consoles extending to PC.

          • GK15

            DX12 spreads the workload across multiple cores on PC, Xbox, mobile, any system that uses it

      • bdlckkd

        “Xbox one is the biggest beneficiary, it effectively gives every x1 owner a
        new GPU that is twice as fast as the old one” – Brad Wardell

        • Revolver Ocelot

          Already addressed this one: “Big flaw in his reasoning: the Xbone already runs as hot as the PS4 even with its size. The Xbone is designed to run quiet as it is a media box instead of a games console. This would cause a massive RROD crisis. What a pity.”

          • $21319503

            Interesting, do you have an Xbox One? Can you testify to the temperature when running?

            Your anti-MS bile suggests no.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Science, my friend. eurogamer(.)net/articles/digitalfoundry-hardware-test-playstation-4 eurogamer(.)net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-hardware-test PS4 runs at 44 degrees, Xbone at 49 degrees. Your apology is welcomed.

          • $21319503

            But never forthcoming pole-smoker, like that greatness you’re awaiting…

            Or maybe the greatness refers to the depths their stock has plunged over the years….?

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Another Xbot who never admits he’s wrong, like the scum never admitted they were wrong over the events of last May/June.

            Sh*tbox Done.

          • $21319503

            So witty, shitbox, did you let mommy make that one up for you, because we’ve yet to see anything better from you. Like that greatness you sad-act ponies are awaiting…

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Already got that greatness, Jimmy. When are you getting a game next?

            Xbox One: Just Wait.

          • $21319503

            What, UNfamous? Lolololol.

            You really are a smear aren’t you.

            Here’s the thing, don’t have an X1, or a PS4, but if I’d have the choice, I’d rather have none than keep company with sanctimonious little bell-ends like yourself.

            You go on about the Xbox being cancerous, but it seems to me that your malignant FUD is the real disease here.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Yeah, a real current gen exclusive built for the console that showcases the power of the system and is solid fun. Much better than a cash grab cross-gen shooter that struggles to run on the Xbone.

            “Here’s the thing, don’t have an X1, or a PS4, but if I’d have the
            choice, I’d rather have none than keep company with sanctimonious little
            bell-ends like yourself.”

            That’s great. So why are you posting? Sounds like your Xbot jimmies are firmly jangled.

          • $21319503

            I’d ask the same of you, ya mong.

            Mommy buy you a PS4, and all you can do is bitch about ‘Xbots’…

            Your father was a baboon’s rump and your mother spent most of her life up against walls with sailors, happy?

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Xbot so bluttflustered he’s left to burbling insults I last saw in primary school. Step it up, mate. :)

          • $21319503

            Buttflustered, moi?

            Yes, of all my priorities and worries in life, some faceless little twunt with Hirai’s junk in his mouth is on top of it all.

            Very wrong indeed.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            The ride never ends with Jimmy Jangle.

          • $21319503

            The butthurt never ceases with wrong, can’t be arsed using your full name anymore.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            I can see why you’re so angry. Today’s events must have been very upsetting for you. :(

          • $21319503

            You mistake my apathy for anger, come on, try harder Shill ?

          • Revolver Ocelot

            And yet you’re still here, crying. :)

          • GK15

            If ya had an XB1, you’d know it doesn’t run hot at all. Not even a little bit, not even after hours of gameplay

          • Revolver Ocelot

            It runs four degrees hotter than the PS4 at full operation. eurogamer(.)net/articles/digitalfoundry-hardware-test-playstation-4
            eurogamer(.)net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-hardware-test

          • GK15

            I don’t really care about that. I know it runs very cool even after hours of gameplay, has a massive case and fan, and was built with DX12 in mind. I’m more interested in what kind of performance gain we will see.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Considering it was designed to run dead silent as a media box even though hotter than the PS4 and any increase in fan speed jeopardises that design decision I’m not sure how there’s any buffer for DX12 to make a massive difference.

          • GK15

            Easy, when not running games it runs as cool as it does now.

            Considering it was built with DX12 in mind, I’m really not worried about it.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            When not running games. When it is running games (when it’ll be using THE POWER OF DX12) it will be running hot.

          • GK15

            And considering it runs extremely cool right now with room to spare, it’ll be just fine.

            I think we’re getting somewhere! :)

          • Revolver Ocelot

            Another Xbro denying facts. Imagine my overwhelming shock :/

            Face it, your Xbone doesn’t have as much leeway as you think it does.

          • Sooooo that’s the best you’ve got? My Xbox One runs silently and is in fact the same temp as my DVR and A/V receiver. MS knew what they were doing when they built this system, it is large with a large fan that can throttle up or down. But hey, keep spouting crap about how temperature will somehow stop this from coming to fruition.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            It runs hotter than the PS4 and its compact design in operation. There is no conspiracy. It’s literally supposed to be a silent media box. Cranking up the fan to accommodate the PS4 jeopardises those design decisions for “broad entertainment play.”

          • My Xbox One runs quite cool, especially compared to my 360 or any other gear in my setup and considering how in depth MS went with explaining how it will work on dissipating heat I don’t think it is going to be a problem whatsoever. I suspect MS built the X1 WITH DirectX 12 in mind.

            I literally just checked, my Xbox One is cooler to the touch than my brand new Harmon Kardon A/V receiver, and sure the temp will go up ever so slightly when running a game it is still not hot…at all.

          • Xtreme Derp

            LOL. Look at the digital foundry temperature tests. Xbox One runs HOTTER than PS4. Or just keep being a delusional fanboy, there’s clearly no convincing you.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            eurogamer(.)net/articles/digitalfoundry-hardware-test-playstation-4 eurogamer(.)net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-hardware-test The Xbone runs hotter than the PS4 despite its larger size. The reason for the large fan is so it runs totally silent. You can suspect all you want, but your conspiracy theory does not hold weight.

        • Guest

          So the CEO of a software company says this and you instantly take it as gospel because you want to believe it. Surely claims of doubling would send up some red flags.

          • bdlckkd

            Hey look another sony fanboy

          • bdlckkd

            Brad Wardell is the Founder, President, and CEO of Stardock, Wardell’s specialty is the design and programming of artificial intelligence and game mechanics. Yes I would believe him over someone posting comments under a Guest* account

        • Xtreme Derp

          LOL. If you believe that at face value you’re massively stupid.

      • bdlckkd

        AMD’s Raja Khodury “And it’s not a small benefit, it’s like getting four generations of hardware ahead with this API.”

        • Guest

          Already addressed this one: “Big flaw in his reasoning: the Xbone already runs as hot as the PS4 even
          with its size. The Xbone is designed to run quiet as it is a media box
          instead of a games console. This would cause a massive RROD crisis. What
          a pity.”

          • bdlckkd

            Which is why the x1 was designed more open on the inside with better ventilation

          • Revolver Ocelot

            So why does it run hotter during operation than the PS4?

          • Guest

            So ps4 is better because it runs cooler?? Umm ok, that’s nice.

          • Revolver Ocelot

            No one said it was better because it runs cooler, mong.

          • Guest

            So you have no point. You just keep repeating it runs hotter than the ps4, which means nothing. What you dont get is, the one is silent when its being used as a media box, and its very quiet while gaming. That’s why it has a huge fan, got it yet?

          • Revolver Ocelot

            And when you increase the fan speed to compensate for MUH DIRECTX 12 it’s going to make it louder which destroys the design philosophy for it being an ultra silent media box. Congratulations for not getting the point like a true Xmong.

            “the one.” Go away, marketer.

    • Xtreme Derp

      Uh actually you’re being fed a load of BS from Microsoft, but you eaglerly gobble up those turds like a delusional fanboy.

  • jaskdavis

    You are correct… BUT, You can move GPU task to CPU and to get more out of the GPU, as you know, they are both processors. Yes, PS4 will ALWAYS be more powerful, but I feel MS will get more out of their hardware tham Sony will out of theirs when comparing them via Software to a 1:1 Ratio.

    • Xtreme Derp

      I’m pretty sure Sony’s ICE team that tamed the PS3 nightmare is more than capable of handling PS4.

      • jaskdavis

        They are very talented, but MS has proved for the third time already that it can have lower hardware and push it more than Sony’s more powerful hardware to come close in parity. Sony Fans say PS4 is 50% more powerful, but why is the X1 comparable in the graphics department…? Sure Resolution is better along with framerate on PS4, but as far as textures, texture speed, etc. on the GDDR5 bandwidth load time is the same as Xbox One from what ive seen in Multiplats? I won’t argue that their is a larger gap than their was last gen so far, and the fact that PS4 will always have the upper hand in pure processing power is 100% correct, But like I said and has been PROVEN, MS will squeeze more out of the hardware than Sony will IMO, but just like the claims MS is making with X1 and DX12 goes the same foe PS4 and the ICE Team… I will believe it when I see it. :)

        • Xtreme Derp

          PS3 was more powerful than 360 but a nightmare to code for. Eventually 1st party devs put out unmatched games like Uncharted 3 and The Last Of Us. That took some incredible programming talent that is largely still there today.

          PS4 is even more powerful AND easier to code for, at least before getting into GPGPU stuff. I have no doubt they’ll be able to optimize every byte.

          PS4 and Xbox are “comparable” because they’re in the same generation of hardware, roughly speaking. PS4 isn’t a whole generation ahead or anything. It’s 1.28TF to 1.84TF not 3 or 6 TF or something.

          Yes they both have 8GB of RAM so texture data should be largely the same.

          • jaskdavis

            1.34TF is X1’s Floating Operation Per Second. You have to remember they had an hardware overclock since launch that brought it up. Either way, PS4’s exclusives will look better than Xbox Ones, just like last gen.

          • Xtreme Derp

            It’s 1.28 after the GPU upclock minus 2% reserve, or 1.18 after the GPU upclock minus 10% reserve.

    • Guest

      Why would you move GPU tasks to the CPU? That’s stupid. First off the gpu isn’t a general purpose processor so there’s alot of stuff it can’t do, second the gpu is alot faster than the CPU. Since the CPU feeds the gpu, you’d end up slowing everything down.

      • jaskdavis

        Depends on what task is efficient and can be placed on the CPU, sure GPU’s have 100’s of Cores vs CPU’s and can handle thousands of task more than a CPU, but things like Cloud Processing task is strictly CPU, like AI, Physics, Lighting, etc. Oh and GPU’s are the Soul of a CPU, theoretically speaking

  • Xtreme Derp

    Console APIs like PS4s and Xbox One are already supposed to be low level. Unless MS seriously screwed up with their Xbox One API (which is called DirectX 11.x, a custom derivative of DirectX 11), the benefits are likely to be minimal. DX12 is still mainly a benefit to PCs.

    These low level changes mainly benefit the CPU. Which is why Mantle helps a lot with CPU constrained PC builds, but doesn’t do a whole lot if the CPU is already bulky enough to not bottleneck the GPU. Basically the only way you’d see “twice the graphics” is if the GPU was being severely bottlenecked by the CPU.

    Xbox One’s benefit depends on how low level the current API already is, and whether Xbox One games are CPU bottlenecked, as these low level changes are mainly a CPU benefit. Being able to run CPU code more efficiently will free up some CPU power, but that doesn’t have a direct relation to GPU rendering unless it was bottlenecked.

    PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

    The bottom line is even if Xbox had a far more powerful CPU and 10000GB of 10000 GB/s memory, it’s ability to render graphics is STILL limited by the weaker GPU. There’s no getting around the weaker GPU, there’s no free lunch.

    If they’re both running at the same resolution the Xbox version will have lower framerate and/or visual effects, or the PS4 hardware isn’t being pushed.

    Wardell’s Star Swarm PC demo tends to be CPU bottlenecked on DX11, so running his demo using Mantle or the new Nvidia drivers shows a significant boost in performance. His tech demo features thousands of ships flying around the screen shooting at each other in space.

    Wardell is taking the results from his Star Swarm tech demo and extrapolating them to every other game, which is misleading because most of them aren’t particularly CPU bottlenecked and won’t show anywhere near “double” performance gains.

    Again how much DX12 benefits Xbox One graphics performance depends on 1. how low level Xbox One’s API currently is and 2. whether the game in question is CPU bottlenecked.

    Outside of graphics performance DX12 should still give the CPU more room to do things, and alleviate memory bandwidth somewhat.

  • jaskdavis

    I am just going to wait and see if this is true or not for now, sounds legit and MS are known for DX and Software Coding as their strong points.

    • GK15

      Not sure if it will get 2X the performance, but it will almost certainly see a boost. It changes the way the CPU and GPU work together and spreads out the workload more evenly across all the cores. Amongst other things…

      • jaskdavis

        they say a 100% CPU boost then yeah that sounds legit, but everyone is jumping to conclusion that it will make the X1 as a whole 100% (2x) more powerful… which is not the case lol

        • GK15

          Yeah, I am excited about it tho. Lots of interesting things going on with XB1 and MS as a whole.

          • Xtreme Derp

            It’s a conspiracy! “interesting things” LOL just come out and say it, you misterxmedia turd gobbler

  • GK15

    This is actually old news. The article came out a few days ago. Idk if we’ll see 2X the performance, but this should be a great benefit for XB1. XB1 was built with this tech in mind. It wasn’t tacked on after the fact just to compete with PS4, lol. Interesting things are coming.

    • Blarg

      Yeah, looking forward to seeing it in action but I suspect it’ll be a while till we will.

    • Xtreme Derp

      Same old delusional, constantly wrong misterxcultist doomsday prophecies. Just wait for DirectX, you’ll be sorry, things are coming soon!! LOL

      • GK15

        Well somebody’s upset about DX12 coming to XB1 :'(
        Jeez…

        • Johnny

          Just a little.

        • Xtreme Derp

          Pointing out you’re a constantly WRONG, delusional idiot isn’t being upset, it’s laughing at you.

          • $21319503

            Nope, it’s looking like a paid shill, spreading the gospel according to Hirai.

            How much Yen do you get from Sony to troll on here Mike?

          • Xtreme Derp

            Keep crying because someone smarter than you stated the facts. If you don’t like reality you can go to some delusional MS fanboy sh*thole and pretend down is up all day long.

          • $21319503

            If smarter is measured by arrogance and idiotic copypasta, take the crown f*ckhole…

          • Xtreme Derp

            Gladly!

    • Mattress

      “XB1 was built with this tech in mind.” Exactly!

      This is why I have faith in MS. I don’t know whether it can pull out 2x performance (I’m pretty skeptical it will be that much) but only the tech experts at MS know the real truth which will be revealed to us in time when DX12 comes out and we start to get some games utilising the tech.

      What I do know is that I have been absolutely loving my X1 and that it has been improving in leaps and bounds – and this just 5 months into the consoles life! Can’t wait to see what they have in store for the future.

      • GK15

        Same here dude. It’s a great console. It’s always on and instant switching to everything it’s really addicting. I’m not saying that to piss off PS4 fans, although most of them have been such dicks I could care less if I do, I’m saying it because it’s true. I’m actually more into gaming than I’ve been in a while. Just a great time to be a gamer. And lots of interesting stuff on the horizon too.

        To be fair, it’s a great time to be a gamer even if you are a PS fan. I’m just much more interested in Xbox and yeah for me it’s the best console, no question.

        • Mattress

          The instant switching, voice commands and apps are so great. I love being able to say “Xbox On” and “Xbox record that”. If I’m getting slightly worse graphics than PS4, then I’m none the wiser because the X1 still looks great to me. One thing I have noticed about these forums though is that if you say ANYTHING positive about the X1, it is taken as an attack on the PS4 – even if you make no mention of the PS4 (or any type of comparison) whatsoever.

          As I’ve said all along, if I had the money, I would absolutely buy both systems so that I could play all the games that most interested me. But I already spend way too much time gaming on the X1 and while I would have loved to play Infamous:SS, there was just no way I was passing up playing Titanfall because of my love for FPS games.

          My only real disappointment is with Battlefield – but that is an EA problem, not a MS one. If only Battlefield functioned as well as Titanfall did then I would be able to alternate between them more often and get the best of both worlds: fast-paced parkour action of TF and the more strategic, large-scale tactical warfare with a ton of vehicles of BF4.

      • Xtreme Derp

        MS NEVER claimed that about DX12 and Xbox. Just another delusional idiot conspiracy theory by MS fanboys.

  • Allen

    Sorry kids but no way in hell will xbox one ever meet the power of the PS4. You cannot make up for raw hardware performance like that. To match the PS4 the Xbox one needs to be an Xbox one2.

    • Johnny

      Sorry kiddo but go back to school and learn some reading comprehension skills. It was explained very easily as to how this occurs. All the big chip makers say it’s legit the only people that argue against it are blind fantards that argue against everything that doesn’t make my platform beat all others. Done over enough said.

      • Allen

        You know what’s funny? The fact that so many xbots jump on this double the power band wagon just proves how butt hurt they are that PS4 is ground stomping X1 in all multi platform games.

        I mean the difference is HUGE. Not the tiny little or non existent differences between 360/PS3 but freaking HUGE.

        Keep your dreams kid but try not to be disappointed time and time again.

        • bdlckkd

          I’ve actually been relatively happy with mine :) I think the resolutiongate will disappear and soon will not matter. My Super Nintendo can’t reach 1080p, but i still would play the shit out of that :D

        • bdlckkd

          One thing I was disappointed about though right away was that you couldn’t manage your harddrive, but they updated that awhile ago and implemented that, I think it was like their first update

        • Johnny

          You know what was just as funny if not more so? Your tears haha haha oh my what big tears you have hahaha hahaha. No seriously if you cant comprehend what is written that’s your problem not mine. I repeat all chip manufacturers say that DX12 is legit. I just hope the ponys can take as well as they give. I don’t feel sorry for many of you that run around taking out your a$$ about 50% more power. The xbots will have there fun now to.

          • Xtreme Derp

            So when someone smarter than you points out technology facts, your
            ignorant, delusional fanboy reaction is “they’re butthurt!!1”.

        • Guest

          So if I show you a video of tomb raider, you could tell me if it was being played on the Xbox one or ps4?

          • bdlckkd

            Well yeah it would say in the video title! ;)

          • Allen

            No. If I played each immediately after one another I could. This is RoadShow

          • Mattress

            I’ve always wondered…why do you post under the two different accounts sometimes?

        • Mattress

          Are you for real? Take a look again mate – I see WAY more PS4 fanboys and trolls in this thread than I do X1 fanboys. There is a lot of butthurt instantly dismissing what this developer and the chip manufacturers have to say.

          Whether it turns out to be true…we’ll have to wait and see.

          • Allen

            Have you not seen the many developers reactions to this? Saying things like instantly brought a smile to my face (because it’s so absurd) or that they almost spit their cup of tea out.

            And the fact that xbots are holding so dearly onto this and it’s such a hot topic only proves how butt hurt they are in all the multi player dealings so far.

            Xbox gamers have always taken issue with dealing with the simple facts. I don’t even troll. I get labeled a troll because I spout a few facts and they get so freaking mad.

            It’s all good Matty. You are a good gamer, I have respect for many xbox gamers here. You just need to ignore all this talk and enjoy what you have because none of this is going to make any difference. DX12 will certainly help, we all knew X1 will eventually hit 1080p native and 60fps just like PS4. Just don’t expect it to beat it.

          • Mattress

            Like I said – whether it turns out to be true, we just have to wait and see. Whether it becomes better than the PS4 (or not) doesn’t honestly worry me. Just so long as the games continue to get better graphically and there are fun gameplay experiences (on both consoles) then I’ll be happy. If DX12 is one way in which the X1 improves then fantastic.

          • Xtreme Derp

            So when someone smarter than you points out technology facts, your
            ignorant, delusional fanboy reaction is “they’re butthurt!!1”.

            Keep shoving your head up your arse to avoid reality. Bu bu bu just wait for the directx 12 esram tiled resources cloud latency stacked dGPU SDK update!

          • Xtreme Derp

            So when someone smarter than you points out technology facts, your ignorant, delusional fanboy reaction is “they’re butthurt!!1”.

            Keep shoving your head up your arse to avoid reality. Bu bu bu just wait for the directx 12 esram tiled resources cloud latency stacked dGPU SDK update!

      • Xtreme Derp

        LOL. Dumb as rocks delusional constantly WRONG Microsoft fanboy.

    • bdlckkd

      I only liked that because of the Xbox one2 part made me laugh. as far as MS and my X1 I’m along for the ride :)

  • Revolver Ocelot

    Xbots clinging onto hope in the only way they can. Sh*tbox Done and we can all be truly thankful.

    • Xtreme Derp

      Bu bu bu just wait for the directx 12 esram tiled resources cloud latency stacked dGPU SDK update!

  • NathGamer

    This thread was entertaining to read.

  • MidasTyranny

    As an owner of both Ps4 and an Xbox One I hope that it is understood that I do not fall into either camp as far as being a fanboy of either console … i genuinely want both consoles to be great and then I can have more great games to play on each .

    THAT BEING SAID.

    I find this article to be kind of slanted as it does not anywhere in the article comment on anything but comments made by those with a stake in the matter. No facts is what i mean . ALSO it is hard to decypher what is quoted and what is statement from the writer of the article . Collecting a wall of quotes with a 50 word lead in does not an effective or enlightening article make .

    Also … folks … some of the statements are basically outright lies .

    For instance “it effectively gives every Xbox One owner a new GPU that is twice as fast as the old one.”

    Although calculations will be streamlined with the new version of DX it will in no way do as stated for the under powered xbox one unfortunately . The biggest beneficiary will be the PC with the Xbox One taking slight perks along for the ride but it all just seems like PR spin to this reader .

    In the future please at least attempt to write an informative article that seeks to enlighten those who read it with facts outside of the statements provided by Microsoft Marketing.

    Excited for DX? Yeah … for my PC I am

    • Xtreme Derp

      You expect competent tech analysis on “attack of the fanboy”? Lols

      • MidasTyranny

        i came here from google notifications so im not up to snuff on the goings on of this site outside of this article but i do suppose that the name should have been an indicator of content slant. Good call Derp … Good call

  • Guest

    Jaguar cores usually run at 2gz and Radeon graphics 1000 MHz, I think Xbox is running at 1.85 and 833, so there’s plenty of room as far as heat is concerned. They could probably overclock the gpu to 1100 MHz and CPU to 2.1 GHz with DirectX 12 and be ok. What’s Sony been up to?

    • Xtreme Derp

      No it doesn’t work that way.

  • Sideways M2

    Where’s Allen when you need him?

  • Guest

    Pitiful x2 is still pitiful…just not quite as pitiful as before.

  • jimbob30

    at the end of the day only microsoft really know what benefits dx12 will have for xbox one so hows about we all shut the hell up about it enjoy the games you play on what ever machine u brought yes ps4 does have abit more power and no it doesnt matter what matters is the games and how good they are to play lol remember that play as in u shouldnt buy games based on graphics its gameplay that matters most.if dx12 does give a really big boost then ps4 wont have much of an advantage at all and that will just be how it is.tbh i dont see an advantage at the moment so some x1 games are only 720p and u ps4 owners think we actually care lol go play ur games and get a life comparing graphics is for sad idiots with no life.also if u want to play the my console has more power then xbox live is over 100 times better than psn simple fact microsoft know how about online its their thing so lets leave it at that

  • Joe

    Xbox runs at a less temperature than the ps4, reason y the Xbox is so big is to keep the Heat down, also if the Xbox overheats it shuts down certain components to level out the temperature, seeing a spike in temperature with dx12 shouldn’t be a problem for the Xbox

  • Farhan Afnan Iskandar

    the question is, is it possible to pass PS4, with great quality, resolution, performance, and FPS? I’m a big fan of Microsoft, but, I really disappointed with the performance of XBOX ONE, it’s also a big shame when I know XBOX ONE testing system on E3 2013 weren’t running real XBOX ONE. OK, my vision of XBOX ONE have been changed when I seen this, I don’t know is it gonna be good, or is it gonna be bad, but I’ll keep waiting for that :)

  • jam201984 .

    2 years on a still nothing