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Analyst believes Nintendo will eventually have to abandon hardware

| September 5, 2014

Analyst believes Nintendo will eventually have to abandon hardware News  Nintendo

Industry analyst Michael Pachter has made a bold claim about the future of Nintendo consoles. Speaking recently at a technology conference where the analyst touched on many facets of a changing games industry, Pachter lambasted Nintendo’s current ideology in creating new hardware.

“There is no place for Nintendo hardware… nobody cares”

Pachter believes that one of the casualties in the ever-changing marketplace will be Nintendo. “They are more than a decade behind the curve,” says Pachter. “They are so insular that there is no desire internally to learn from others.”

“Nintendo hardware goes away,” according to the analyst. “There is place for their content. There is no place for Nintendo Hardware. Nobody cares. They will have to abandon hardware.”

Pachter has been a critic of Nintendo for quite some time. He called for the death of the Wii U before it launched, and was right about the console not catching on, or duplicating the success of the original Wii. While the Wii may have been an anomaly when it comes to sales, many would argue that the Wii U is just now hitting its stride, with games like Mario Kart 8, Hyrule Warriors, and Super Smash Bros to headline a big year for the console.

Will Pachter’s predictions come true? Only time will tell.

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  • TheSneakyLizard

    When will that motherfucking asshole of an analyst shut the fuck up with his biased articles? I’m fucking sick of it. If he had lived in any other country in the world, he would of starved to death long ago. I hope he goes to Hell and suffer at the mercy of Scorpion and Lord Shinnok.

    • 111AlaN111

      I think that the analyst is right in saying that the Wii U is a failing console. It has little 3rd party support and the Nintendo games are the only thing that keep customers buying it.

      In my opinion, Nintendo should continue as it is, but with a better hardware to get more 3rd party support.

      • TheSneakyLizard

        Yeah, but still, he needs to stop bashing on them. Pachter needs to rot in Hell, in Satan’s asshole.

      • Guest

        Weren’t you the one saying the wii U will outsell all other consoles this gen, Just a few weeks back?

        Nintendo exclusives are the only thing that keeps customers buying it but aren’t exclusives one of the mainreason you would buy a console? If Destiny is to come out on the wii u, why would anyone buy a Wii U for Destiny?

        People who buy a Wii U either want Nitnendo games and aren’t interested in 3rd party games or already own another platform to play those 3rd parties…

        • 111AlaN111

          I said that the Nintendo games were my reason.

          And my ideas are changing, I’m not thinking the same that I was thinking months ago.

        • FloridaSun72

          Don’t listen to anything 111Alan111 has to say. Hes either a little kid or slow. Trust me, he believes MS actually cares about their fanbase lol

          • ?????

            So listening to customers is a bad habit? And Sony doesn’t care who you are, either.

      • FloridaSun72

        If the Wii U is failing then what is the X1 doing? The X1 is still about 3 million units behind the Wii U and the best is yet to come from Nintendo in the very near future! If any company is at its final console it will be MS. Gamers hate more than the system, they hate the company that makes it.

        • 111AlaN111

          You forgot to say that the Wii U launched a year if not more, before the X1 and PS4!

          You clearly aren’t informed even in the basics.

          • $113353191

            2014 year to date sales:

            Wii U 1.7m
            Xbox 2.0m
            PS4 5.6m

            Wii U almost selling as much as Xbox in 2014 so far.

        • ?????

          Sony my go bankrupt.
          Your argument is invalid.

          • pbizkit

            you spit diarrhea all over my computer screen… your argument is invalid

          • ?????

            Sony has over a 50% chance of going bankrupt in the next two years. Why else do they sell their divisions and fired many employees?
            Sorry that true facts make you delusional and call them diarrhea.

          • pbizkit

            Fact: Sony is the first company to ever have a large layoff.. And no company has ever sold profit losing sections of their business..

            Wait I’m not “?????” so I won’t spin something to make it seem like I have any clue as to how large corporations function and use it to start Internet arguments… That was indeed not a fact..

          • pbizkit

            And I just did about 7 minutes of research and in Jan macroaxis had them at 78% chance and now today they are indeed under 50% sitting at 46%… So before you come in talking about how “true facts” make me delusional.. Maybe put up some true facts so I can become delusional and stop having to wipe your diarrhea off my screen

      • Xbox One is also a failure.

        I have a PS4 and PC for 3rd party support, granted it would be nice for Wii U to have that also, but it’s not what sells.

        You buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo exclusives.

        Mario Kart 8 comes out and single handily almost saves the Wii U.

        Smash will sell just as much as Mario Kart 8 did.

        Then you have the following, all exclusive:

        Hyrule Warriors, Bayonetta 2, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Sonic Boom, Mario Maker, Yoshi’s Woolly World, Mario Party 10, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, Captain Toad, New Zelda and Splatoon.

        That’s not even including the new Star Fox or any other new games or ideas. With Amiibo, new 3DS and possible Wii, HD and GameCube ports.

        Wii U and Nintendo not going anywhere, this analyst has no idea. Has he even looked at the 3DS console sales or exclusive games coming out? This guy just lost all credibility! The new Pokemon games coming out will sell over 16 million in their lifetime, just imagine if they release a Pokemon RPG on the Wii U, it will be game over.

        • 111AlaN111

          Was I talking about the X1? The Wii has been out since 2012, if you want to know.

          • No, I’m using the X1 as an example, as an indirect argument. Regardless of when the Wii U was launched, X1 is in a similar if not worse situation than Wii U with nothing exciting on the horizon. Wii U didn’t perform due to lack of games and an identity issue. Same with this gen of consoles, people purchased a PS4 with nothing to play on it for almost half a year.

            If you do the math, X1 will have to double Wii U sales for a year to even surpass it.

            Nintendo consoles are usually slow to take off, but when they do, it’s a runaway train. Look at 3DS.

            Going by the logic this analyst has employed, MS should abandon hardware as well.

          • ?????

            Another butthurt fanboy LOL.

          • If you have nothing useful to add to the debate, don’t post. I know this statement might prove difficult for you to comprehend. But, just try to understand.

        • James Parker

          never understood why they haven’t done pokemon HD on Wii U!!! It would completely destroy the market. Huge open world 3d rpg would make it one of the best games going. It’s like they don’t want our money lol. Maybe it’s in the bag and they’re keeping quiet, it’s not like they don’t have the hardware

          • ^ Exactly! I have no idea what they’re waiting for.

            It’s the biggest seller that rivals GTA.

    • IHATEHIPSTERSSS

      R.I.P Nintendo

      • TheSneakyLizard

        Shut the fuck up man. Nintendo is gonna be fine.

        • IHATEHIPSTERSSS

          U sure

    • Stretch90

      Patcher says stupid stuff like this to get attention. Why else would anybody care who he is?

      • TheSneakyLizard

        If I saw Pachter in person, I’d drink so much soda until I get sick, that way I can pin him on the ground and throw up on his face.

  • Facts First

    if anyone should leave hardware its sony. Everything they have EVER done is copies from nintendo, microsoft and sega. The only reason they sell any hardware is because they are good at lying through their teeths about features and games.

    • Shannon Novosel

      That is funny remind us about the great failure rate of Microsoft’s gaming systems and all there 180’s talk about the lying bu bu bu bu bu bu.

    • FloridaSun72

      Another idiot. What are you 10? Sony was making consoles before MS ever thought of the name Xbox!! At least Sony doesn’t charge me for everything from charging my controller to watching Netflix! I mean they wanted to charge people to play a game even if it was borrowed from a friend. Thank god no other company tries to do the nonsense MS comes up with!!

      • ?????

        Liked your own comment.
        Listened to customers and dropped paywalls.

    • $113353191

      PS4 is selling on price/performance, better PR and global appeal, long term 1st party support, large number of 1st party studios, more total games and dev support including Japanese and indie devs, wider variety of games, improved PSN since the PS3 days, and PS+ value. It’s seen as the best console for multiplatform games.

      Sony has been good about honesty with the PS4 for the most part. They have much better PR this gen than PS3, that’s one reason it’s selling so well.

      MS and Mattrick, Hyrb, Penello, Greenberg, Medhi, Spencer, etc. have been making the arrogant anti-consumer PR blunders, spin, lies, and deceptive BS this gen, not Sony.

      http://www.listwar.com

      PS4 has many great games that gamers love. That’s why it’s 10+ million in sales and growing. Sony’s large number of well funded 1st parties will ensure PS4 has a ton of great AAA exclusives, as many or more than PS3.

      PS4/Sony exclusives Jun-Dec: The Last of Us Remastered, Driveclub, LittleBigPlanet 3, Infamous: First Light, Samurai Warriors 4, Natural Doctrine, Guilty Gear Xrd, Singstar, and lots of indies (Resogun DLC, Counterspy, Hohokum, Velocity 2X, etc.).

      PS4/Sony exclusives 2015 (announced): Bloodborne, The Order, Ratchet & Clank Remastered, Uncharted 4, Let It Die, Deep Down, and lots of indies.

      PS4 has 35+ AAA games from July to December 2014. Most of those are multiplatform but there’s no shortage of AAA games for PS4 owners.

      PS4 games rated 73+ on Metacritic not on XB1: Final Fantasy XIV, Resogun, Transistor, MLB 14, Injustice, Trine 2: Complete Story, TowerFall Ascension, Infamous 2nd Son, Don’t Starve, flower, War Thunder, DC Universe Online, Dead Nation, Dynasty Warriors 8, MotoGP 14, Oddworld: Abe’s Oddysee, TLOU Remastered, The Swapper, ZEN Pinball 2, Star Wars Pinball, The Pinball Arcade, Pure Pool, Fez, Rogue Legacy, Sound Shapes, Sportsfriends, PixelJunk Shooter Ultimate, SteamWorld Dig, Awesomenauts Assemble, Titan Attacks, Killzone: Shadow Fall, Escape Plan, Outlast: Whistleblower, Hohokum, Velocity 2X.

      1st/2nd party studios include Japan Studio, Polyphony Digital, Naughty Dog, SCE Bend, SCE San Diego, SCE Santa Monica, Sucker Punch, Pixel Opus, Evolution Studios, Guerrilla Games, Guerrilla Cambridge, SCE London, Media Molecule, Ready at Dawn, Quantic Dream, etc.

      Sony’s largest 1st party studios like Naughty Dog, Guerilla Games, and Santa Monica are working on unrevealed AAA games. Expect big 1st party AAA reveals in the future. Sony’s 1st parties are well funded and the games division is making a profit.

      Sony showed the following games at Gamescom 2014:

      Sony exclusives: The Tomorrow Children, Until Dawn, Tearaway Unfolded, Alienation, WiLD, Rime, DriveClub, The Order: 1886, Bloodborne, LittleBigPlanet 3

      Timed console exclusives: Dreamfall Chapters, HellBlade, The Vanishing Of Ethan Carter, Volume, HollowPoint, Runemaster, Nom Nom Galaxy, Pix the Cat, Papers Please, In Space We Brawl, Ether One, Qube 2, Snow

      Multiplatform games: Silent Hills (P.T. playable teaser), FarCry 4, Destiny, Shadow Of Mordor

      Sony announced a ton of new Japanese games for PS4 at TGS 2014.

      PS4 has a steady stream of games all year. According to Listwar it’s now 110 PS4 games to 65 XB1 games. The fact is PS4 has nearly twice as many games as XB1, and many of those are rated 73+ on Metacritic.

      PS4 is selling on price/performance, better PR and global appeal, long term 1st party support, large number of 1st party studios, more total games and dev support including Japanese and indie devs, wider variety of games, improved PSN since the PS3 days, and PS+ value. It’s seen as the best console for multiplatform games.

      Xbox has good exclusive games like DR3, Forza 5, Forza Horizon 2, Titanfall, Sunset Overdrive, Halo Collection, Quantum Break, Gears of War, Halo 5, Project Spark, Tomb Raider, Crackdown, Fable Legends, Scalebound, etc. Both consoles have good exclusive games, it’s only fanboys trying to trash one or the other.

    • Stretch90

      The hilarious thing is that Nintendo is, by far, the most successful hardware maker in the industry. Sony is on the brink of bankruptcy and Xbox hasn’t made a profit to date.
      Patcher is just a moron.

  • Wizard of Peace

    I was about to read the story, until i saw pachter, then i stopped.

    • IHATEHIPSTERSSS

      Patcher is god

      • Shannon Novosel

        IHATEHIPSTERSS is idiot

  • jokergallagher

    they wont have to abandon Hardawar, but they well really have to step their game up, they do 5 year life cycles, which means the replacement of the Wii U well come out in mid life of the Xbox one/ ps4 they well need to be above and beyond the power of those systems, and really step up the amount of apps and alternative activities.
    if they were smart though, they would buy Sega and platinum, as well as focus more on , online, social, and M rated games.

    • 111AlaN111

      I don’t think they should focus on M rated games. Nintendo makes games for EVERYONE, not just adults.

      All ages enjoy Nintendo games even if they have no blood. Nintendo needs 3rd party support, including M rated games.

      • jokergallagher

        like I said they should buy Sega and platinum, already they have bin using platinum for M rated games (bayoneta, mad world) and new IP (W101)
        and they already partner a lot with Sega for exclusives and cross overs. If they buy them then they can let those 2 companies focus on T-M exclusively on Nintendo systems, Nintendo has said in the past that they have bin focusing to much on children, and recently Miyamoto went a step further saying they well be dropping the casual game market and focusing on core gamers. The reason they need E-M is so they can broden the scope of users, if Nintendo only makes E games, then the crowed buying the system well only be into E games, which means that 3rd party games well only get sales on E games (which is already a fact of the matter) so yes they need T-M to simply get other third party T-M

      • FloridaSun72

        Does you always talk in circles?

        • 111AlaN111

          *Do

  • Someguy2039

    If he’s right I see that as a good thing. All your favorite Nintendo games on PC. All your favorite Nintendo handheld games on your phone with one of those attachable controllers. No dedicated hardware you have to be on top of your PC/Phone. Sounds good to me.

    • Fenrir Posorski

      Eeeeexcept that is not how it will go down. Nintendo, assuming it stopped making hardware, would still be a withdrawn company. This means they would only allow companies it is familiar with to handle it’s ip. Of all the companies on the market, that leaves three. Sony, Sega, and Square Enix; With Sega being the leading candidate followed by Sony.

      The thing is… Sega makes most games for one of two companies. Nintendo (The vast majority) aaaand Sony. Yes, Microsoft gets a few third party games, but by and large, the studios Sega owns makes games for those two companies, meaning their is an unfortunately high probability that, if Nintendo goes under, Sony will get them as exclusives.

      Now, if you notice, I said unfortunately. While this is the most likely case, I also feel it would be bad for the gaming industry as a whole. It would further drive a wedge between the Playstation and Xbox, furthering the issue of the latter.

      • $113353191

        Nintendo will probably go handheld only before ever considering 3rd party on home consoles.

        You’re probably right that they’d work with Japanese companies if they ever went 3rd party.

        • Fenrir Posorski

          Aye, I do agree they would shift focus first. Hence why I prefaced my comment with “… assuming it stopped making hardware …”.

          Though, and I failed to include this, them going software focused would make an opening for SEGA. The Dreamcast is looked on fondly, and Sega merging with the hardware side of Nintendo would allow for enough funds for them to go into the market.

          Mind you, this is more speculative than information based, but it is speculation based on some basic knowledge of the industry. So best case scenario if Nintendo stops making hardware, we get a Dreamcast 2 and keep three companies in the scene.

          • $113353191

            Sega and S-E see the mobile writing on the wall. They aren’t going to jump into new hardware when smartphones are eating handheld and home console’s lunch in Japan.

          • Fenrir Posorski

            Handhelds, yes, but consoles? I have heard a lot of fluff about that, but current sales of the PS4 and even Xbox One would refute your claim it effects consoles. Plus as mobiles rose to prominence, there was no actual down tick of sales noted on last gen systems.

  • Tony

    he’s dumb.. xbox one last place

  • dropdeadjack

    I love Nintendo but I would look forward to playing their exclusive on a more powerful machine with a larger community.

  • Before they’d do this, they’d abandon home consoles, and maybe even (holding out for it) make a NINTENDO PHONE!

  • dafonse

    Nintendo can go on a 250 million profit loss every year, up until the year 2075 before they have to hit their reserves which will last them to 2095, after that to stay alive they’ll have to sell their assets. That right there shows how much money they have in the bank. So should Nintendo drop hardware? Hell no, with that kind of money possibilities are endless.

  • Kain

    fucker doesnt know shit about anything, Nintendo IS the videogame industry, they ll never ever die…

  • Paul Morphy

    nintendo is dead indeed as hardware developer

  • Gone

    This is the kind of prediction that’s best looked at in hindsight. All Nintendo really needed was better games on the system and they are emerging just fine so far.

  • Christopher Jallow

    I’m in class right now, and when I first saw the word “Pachter” on my screen, I jumped up and hit my leg on underneath the desk and yelled “FUCKING PACHTER”.

    Seriously, Pachter. Eat shit and die.

    Pachter doesn’t even know the FIRST thing about how the video game industry works. I bet all he did was just LOOK at the consoles. And he then gave a biased review on it, seeing how he hears nobody talk about it, since everyone nowadays talk about CoD or Battlefield, or other mainstream M+ games.

    Oh wait, he doesn’t have anybody to talk to. Pachter has no friends.

    Nintendo may not be at the top of the leaderboard, but it’s still succeeding and trying, goddammit. Just because it’s not on the top doesn’t mean it’s gonna fail.

  • PS”4″Nintendo

    I own a Wii U and PS4 and my 4 gets 90% of my gameplay, but I love Nintendo. I can play all 3rd party titles on PS4, however, I have to have Mario. Call it nostalgia. Truthfully, I’ll buy any home console Nintendo puts out and have since NES. You can keep the handhelds though. When I’m not home I’m generally doing adult stuff that requires my attention. LMBO

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